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    Heated Seat Switch Wiring Diagram
    on: Apr 05, 2020, 02.41 pm
    Apr 05, 2020, 02.41 pm
    Hi All,

    I have a set of Button Blast flashing LED indicators for use whilst escorting cycle events, http://premierhazard.co.uk/resources/files/c7c58fe78a40a08a2d24acd66ce1782e/button_blast.pdf.  I have used many switches to operate from eBay Chinese suppliers but they invariably fail due to water ingress.

    I bit the bullet and had my local dealer install a very expensive heated seat switch from Triumph which has lasted significantly longer than the Chinese cheap versions.

    The inevitable has happened and I can't switch my lights on!

    I'm not at all electrical but thought I'd have a go at fixing it during COVID-19 lockdown.

    So can you point me as to how I should fault fined?  The dealer sorted the two-position seat heater switch as a simple on/off for the lights.  I did want some sort of visual display as its easy to forget about them and leave them on but I think that is a step too far for me!

    Any ideas?
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    Re: Heated Seat Switch Wiring Diagram
    Reply #1 on: Apr 05, 2020, 03.02 pm
    Apr 05, 2020, 03.02 pm
    If you have room in one of the left or right fairing panels on the footrests. Those solve the problem for you. It can be lit constantly or alone, they light up when the heaters are running.

    Now, the ideal is to bring two cables to the front and place a warning led.

    On several occasions I have spoken about the relays that operate via radio and no one has put interest in it. They never fail and it is in absolute comfort. It does not require passing cables from one side to the other of the motorcycle.

    With the radio relay system it is impossible for anything to stay on when you stop the motorcycle, since once the motorcycle is stopped, everything returns to its original position and they return to work when we press a switch again.


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    Re: Heated Seat Switch Wiring Diagram
    Reply #2 on: Apr 05, 2020, 04.15 pm
    Apr 05, 2020, 04.15 pm
    Hi Dave,

    It's very difficult to diagnose without knowing exactly how the lights are wired up.

    Have you any sort of test meter at all ?

    Is there a separate fuse for the lighting system that you can check?

    The switch may have failed, so you would need some way of finding out if power
    is getting to the switch, ( assuming that is how it is wired up ) hence the test meter.

    The usual Trophy Heated seat switch has a short cable with a plug on the end,
    so I assume your Dealer will have cut that plug off to connect to your Lighting system.

    If the new connection to the switch is accessible, there will probably only be two wires
    going to it, one is likley to be the power coming in, for example from a fused supply,
    and the other would be the output to the lighting circuit. 

    If you are able to join the two wires together that is the same as operating the switch
    to "On" and if the lights then work you know it is the switch that has failed.

    Hope that helps !





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    Re: Heated Seat Switch Wiring Diagram
    Reply #3 on: Apr 07, 2020, 03.42 pm
    Apr 07, 2020, 03.42 pm
    Thanks for the help.

    I got out my very cheap test multimeter which I have never understood.  I found a great YouTube tutorial, https://youtu.be/g0YRkwv40r8 and boned up on how to understand it.

    I then removed the side panel, and hey presto, saw that the earth wire had parted.  I cut both live and earth, used bullet crimp connectors and it all works.

    So then with my new test meter skills, albeit at present unused, and thought I'd install flashing LED remote indicator light as I have left the flashers on when they were not supposed to be on.  So I thought I'd try the lamp between the live and earth but it did not work.  I tried across the battery terminals and it flashes.  So now I'm confused!

    Anyway I have great flashers, but alas no warning light.

    Thanks again for your help.
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    Dave

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    Re: Heated Seat Switch Wiring Diagram
    Reply #4 on: Apr 07, 2020, 04.50 pm
    Apr 07, 2020, 04.50 pm
    Hi again,

    How many wires go to the switch ?

    If it's 2 then it wouldn’t be a Live and an Earth,
    it is likely to be a Live IN, and then a Live OUT
    to the lights - which only becomes Live when
    the switch is operated.

    It IS possible however that there is a wire from the Lights
    that is on the Earth side if that's how they were wired up,
    but I doubt it.

    With your new found Testing skills set your Meter
    to read D.C. volts. If there are different D.C. voltage
    settings, choose the one that covers the 12 volts range.

    With the Ignition ON ( or whatever you would normally
    need to be ON when using the lights ), and the Switch OFF,
    connect the Red lead of the Meter to one side of the Switch. 

    Connect the Black lead of the Meter to a Ground point
    on the Trophy -  the Negative terminal of the Main Battery,
    if the lead will reach, is a good place.

    If the meter shows 12 volts ( may be a little higher )
    then that is the INPUT to the switch. 

    If there is NO voltage at that side of the switch,
    swap the Red lead of the meter over to the other side
    of the Switch and see if there is now 12 Volts. 
    If there IS then that is the Input to the Switch.

    You can then check operation of the Switch -
    the Output side will only have 12 volts when the Switch
    is ON, and Zero volts when it is OFF.

    Once you find the Input side, the other side of the switch
    is the Positive OUTPUT from the switch to the Lights. 

    The lights will have a separate connection somewhere
    to Earth ( Ground ) to complete the circuit.

    This simple Lighting Circuit may also help to explain :



    ( If neither side of the Switch has 12 volts,
    then your Lighting system has been wired to switch
    the Negative ( Earth / Ground ) side of the circuit.
    ON and OFF - If this is the case let me know
    and I’ll try and help further ).

    Assuming the Switch is wired on the Positive side
    of the circuit, then to  add an LED “tell-tale” indicator,
    you can either connect the Positive side of the LED
    to the OUTPUT side of the switch, and the NEGATIVE
    side  of the LED directly to Ground, or connect both
    LED wires directly to the Light Units if you can find
    a suitable place to connect them,  noting that if you
    get the wires the “wrong way round” it won’t work !

    Cheers  :821:


    Last Edit: Apr 07, 2020, 05.09 pm by Coconut

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    Re: Heated Seat Switch Wiring Diagram
    Reply #5 on: Apr 07, 2020, 10.22 pm
    Apr 07, 2020, 10.22 pm
    Thanks Coconut, I'll give it a go tomorrow, I appear to have plenty of time at present!
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    Re: Heated Seat Switch Wiring Diagram
    Reply #6 on: Apr 08, 2020, 01.22 pm
    Apr 08, 2020, 01.22 pm
    Wednesday 18/04/2020.

    It was going so very well.

    Using Coconuts explicit instructions I identified the Live In and Live Out (those little multimeters are great when you know how to use them).

    I connected the indicator lamp to earth at the battery and the live to the Live Out at the switch and hey presto worked perfectly, switch on my LED hazards and the indicator blinked.

    Next job, locate the indicator lamp position.  I decided the lid to the left-hand glove box as this has already been bastardised to accommodate the INNOV K2 unit, hole drilled, lug glued in, lamp fitted then tried again before routing wiring and nothing!  The indicator lamp had blown.

    Back on eBay, new lamp on order.  Wait Out!
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    Re: Heated Seat Switch Wiring Diagram
    Reply #7 on: Apr 08, 2020, 02.04 pm
    Apr 08, 2020, 02.04 pm
    Dave,

    You're getting there !  :028:

    Make sure you buy a new LED that is suitable for use with 12 Volts,
    many are only for use with 5 Volts or even less,
    and this may be why the one you tried burnt out !

    Cheers  :821:




     



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