Author [NL] [FR] [ES] [DE] [SE] [IT] Advice/Help needed on Intercom Selection Sena v Cardo Scala Freecom +  (Read 3756 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

  • Offline Steviemac282

    • Trophy Junior  ‐    8
    • *
    • Topic Author

    Offline Steviemac282

    • Trophy Junior
    • *
    • Topic Author
    • Posts: 8
    • Bike: Trophy SE 2016
    Advice/Help needed on Intercom Selection Sena v Cardo Scala Freecom +
    on: May 21, 2020, 04.52 pm
    May 21, 2020, 04.52 pm
    Hi folks,
    This is my first post, so please be gentle  :008:

    I'm in need of some guidance as to the best intercom headsets to make full use of my current setup. When I bought my bike it was already fitted with a Garmin Zumo 390, which I'm happy with. All I've done is replace the mounting bolts with some black anodized bolts and black dome nuts which looks very good, and blends in very well. Other than that everything is stock. I'm using a Samsung Galaxy S10, which I've already been using successfully along with the Zumo 390, to make and receive phone calls through an older Bluetooth module and headset.

    I'm specifically hoping to find out if anyone has any experience of the Cardo Scala Freecom systems, either 1+, 2+ or 4+, and whether these units connect to the SE, and any issues encountered. Due to where I live I'm looking for a system which is waterproof.

    I've spent a while looking through the very helpful posts on the Forum, and have narrowed my selection down to a few which I think would be suitable, namely Sena SMH10, which will is compatible with both the SE's Bluetooth and the Zumo's; Sena 20S or 20S Evo, both of which seem to be okay with the bike, but aren't compatible with the Zumo 390, although from what I've read on the forum this is easy to overcome by the audition of an audio cable from the external 3.5mm socket on the Zumo and hard wired into the bike.

    In relation to the Senas, I have some concerns with water ingress. I have read various reports of problems with the Senas during heavy rain, and that Sena themselves on occasion haven't been particularly helpful, as they market their product as 'water resistant', and not 'waterproof'.
    Similarly I have also read reports of other Sena units being used in torrential rain without any issues. For obvious reasons I don't want to part with a bundle of my hard earned only to find that I have problems due to a lack of 'water resistance' given the Scottish climate.

    During my many hours spent trawling the interweb, I've discovered that Cardo Scala market their products as 'waterproof', which should provide some protection for me if I encounter a problem with water ingress. I have made contact with Cardo Scala specifically asking if any of their Freecom+ units had been tested with the Triumph bluetooth system, as fitted to the Trophy SE, or the Garmin Zumo 390/395 range.
    They were very quick to reply, suggesting their top of the range Packtalk Bold Duo system, unsurprisingly, but only made reference to the new Triumph TFT system, even going so far as to include a copy of the relevant page from the Triumph website showing a list of compatible TFT headsets with Cardo Scala product highlighted. They couldn't answer my question though. Are the Freecom+ units going to connect to my Trophy SE??


    So after all of the above background info, I'm at a bit of a crossroads. Before reading about the water ingress issues with the Sena, I would happily have bought an SMH10, 20S or 20S Evo. Now I'm not so sure. If anyone has experience of the Cardo Freecom+ units, and can confirm that they connect to the Trophy as easily as the Sena units, I may go down the Cardo route due to them being 'waterproof'.

    I also like the option of being able to manage both the Sens 20S Evo and the Freecom+ units via a smart phone app, so this puts the SMH10 a bit further down the list, although this is the only unit which I'm aware that will connect to both the SE and the Zumo.

    Apologies for the length of the post. :015:

    Any and all comments in relation to headset choice will be very much appreciated. :187: :084:






    Last Edit: May 21, 2020, 05.01 pm by Steviemac282

  • Offline Merritt64   ca

    • Trophy Pro  ‐    108
    • ***
      #1

    Offline Merritt64

    • Trophy Pro
    • ***
    • Posts: 108
    • City / Town: Calgary
    • Country: ca
    Re: Advice/Help needed on Intercom Selection Sena v Cardo Scala Freeco
    Reply #1 on: May 21, 2020, 07.08 pm
    May 21, 2020, 07.08 pm
    I can't comment on any Cardo products or even Sena 20S integration with TT but I can comment on the Sena 20S's waterproofness.  My daughter and I have them on our helmets.  While riding through Italy last fall, we went through torrential downpours for about 2 hours on 2 different occasions.  I mean soul drenching downpours and didn't have any issues with our communication systems.  YMMV.

  • Offline Steviemac282

    • Trophy Junior  ‐    8
    • *
    • Topic Author
    • #2

    Offline Steviemac282

    • Trophy Junior
    • *
    • Topic Author
    • Posts: 8
    • Bike: Trophy SE 2016
    Re: Advice/Help needed on Intercom Selection Sena v Cardo Scala Freeco
    Reply #2 on: May 21, 2020, 09.54 pm
    May 21, 2020, 09.54 pm
    Thank you Merritt, that's reassuring to know after some of the other reports I have read. I know the type of rain you describe, having ridden in Italy several years ago. Hopefully I'll be able to obtain some information on compatibility of both the Sena and Cardo Scala units I have in mind from other forum members, and will then be able to make an informed decision.

  • Online trophied   us

    • Trophy God  ‐    5110
    • *****
      #3

    Online trophied

    • Trophy God
    • *****
    • Posts: 5110
    • Bike: 2013 Trophy SE
    • City / Town: New Braunfels, Tx
    • Country: us
    Re: Advice/Help needed on Intercom Selection Sena v Cardo Scala Freeco
    Reply #3 on: May 21, 2020, 10.03 pm
    May 21, 2020, 10.03 pm
    Been in horrendous rain 3 times with my Sena 20S EVO and it never missed a beat.  I have no idea where the water ingress idea comes from because I changed the battery in mine to a larger longer life battery and the internals of it (ss circuit board) has a conformal coating on it so I don't see moisture getting into anything.  You might try to PM member mmlanes about the Cardo's.  He had an older version and loved it because the Trophy's audio volume controls work with it (it doesn't with the Sena's BTW, you have to use the headset volume control), and when he replaced it with a new Cardo he couldn't seem to get it to work properly.  He may have found the problem by now and can give you guidance.  I've had Sena SMH10's and the 20S EVO and haven't had any issues with either model.  From what I have read from riders on different forums all the current bluetooth headsets seem to work pretty well.  Things have come a long way with bluetooth and headsets.  I'm still waiting for someone to make a hub that can pair with up to five different devices at once and prioritize the signals so we can start to use wireless earbuds and the Trophy audio, Satnav audio, phone, and anything else we want.  The Sena (and most others now) can pair two devices and prioritize them as well as the intercom, so why not 5 or 6 or 8 through a hub with it transmitting the single most important audio to the helmet, programmable for your preference of course.
    One of the Founding Members of the Twisted Trophies

  • Offline mtowngoldie

    • Trophy Member  ‐    24
    • **
      #4

    Offline mtowngoldie

    • Trophy Member
    • **
    • Posts: 24
    • Bike: 2017 Trophy SE
    • City / Town: KNOXVILLE
    Re: Advice/Help needed on Intercom Selection Sena v Cardo Scala Freeco
    Reply #4 on: May 22, 2020, 12.14 am
    May 22, 2020, 12.14 am
    I think I can help you out on the Cardo Freecom units.  I use a Freecom4 which means you can pair with 3 other riders (you + 3=Freecom4).  And yes, it will pair with the Trophy SE no problem.  I ride with a group of eight or so guys on a regular basis (The "Motorcycle Gang"  :007:) and they all have Cardo Pack Talk units.  I always ride in position 2 and pair via Bluetooth to the lead rider which allows me to communicate with all the other members of the days ride through the pairing with the lead guy.  However, if we happen to have more riders in a given days ride, I have trouble communicating with the riders further back in the pack due to the extra distance when we get spaced out more.  So, long story short, it works fairly well but I'd go with the Pack Talk unit if I had it to do all over again.  When I got the Freecom4 I was not acquainted with the "gang" yet.  And yes, the Pack Talk is more expensive than the Freecom series; but, it's worth it from a features and usability point of view.  Is the Freecom waterproof?  Don't know for sure since I have not personally tested it out in pouring rain for an extended period of time.  However, my impression is that it should be pretty water proof due to it's design and helmet mounting brackets.

    Here's how I have my Freecom4 paired up on it's two available channels currently.  Channel 1 is paired to my iPhone X (mobile phone 1) and Channel 2 is paired with the Trophy's audio system as (mobile phone 2).  This gives me phone service through the Freecom unit and the use of the Trophy audio system too (AM/FM radio, XM radio, GPS*, radar detector*, iPhone music (acts like an iPod)*, weather radio.  * denotes access through hard wiring from the Trophy system into a splitter and on to my GPS (Garmin Zumo 395LM) and Escort radar detector.  This eliminates the need for a Bluetooth connection to these devices.  Oh yeah, my wife's Freecom is paired with channel 2 of the Trophy's system and her iPhone X so she has her own phone service and music play list  :038:.  Oh yeah, I also have my iPhone paired via Bluetooth to my GPS so I can access my recorded music from my phone via the GPS media player.  So, there you have it...I think.  This stuff gets complicated to get all hooked and paired up where it works as you want it to do.

    Good luck with you decision and I hope that I have not confused you to much with my attempted clear information on my communicator setup.







     

  • Offline mtowngoldie

    • Trophy Member  ‐    24
    • **
      #5

    Offline mtowngoldie

    • Trophy Member
    • **
    • Posts: 24
    • Bike: 2017 Trophy SE
    • City / Town: KNOXVILLE
    Re: Advice/Help needed on Intercom Selection Sena v Cardo Scala Freeco
    Reply #5 on: May 22, 2020, 12.22 am
    May 22, 2020, 12.22 am
    Oh yeah, forgot to mention the smart phone app use with the Freecoms.  I do use the Cardo app to make changes on my Freecom units.  The app is quite easy to use if you need to make changes or adjustments with anything.  You will need to hook the unit up to your laptop or computer to make any firmware updates, and, you can also use this method if you prefer to make changes like you can also make using the app.

  • Offline Steviemac282

    • Trophy Junior  ‐    8
    • *
    • Topic Author
    • #6

    Offline Steviemac282

    • Trophy Junior
    • *
    • Topic Author
    • Posts: 8
    • Bike: Trophy SE 2016
    Re: Advice/Help needed on Intercom Selection Sena v Cardo Scala Freeco
    Reply #6 on: May 22, 2020, 12.05 pm
    May 22, 2020, 12.05 pm
    Thank you for the information Trophied. Whilst reading through some reviews on some of the Sena models I saw a few comments relating to issues with water ingress. Following this I searched specifically for this problem which in turn threw up several more threads, with a number of comments making reference to the Senas being marketed as 'water resistant', rather then 'waterproof'. Living in one of the wettest corners of the UK, this caused me some concern, as up until that point I was leaning heavily towards a Sena dual headset system, and favouring the 20S or 20S Evo.

    Now that I'm armed with additional information obtained from the forum, I agree totally with you regarding the number of available Bluetooth channels on current headsets, which can place some restrictions on the way everything is connected. With the advances being made in technology, it's probably only a matter of time before someone introduces a hub type device which everything else can be connected to and controlled from.

  • Offline Steviemac282

    • Trophy Junior  ‐    8
    • *
    • Topic Author
    • #7

    Offline Steviemac282

    • Trophy Junior
    • *
    • Topic Author
    • Posts: 8
    • Bike: Trophy SE 2016
    Re: Advice/Help needed on Intercom Selection Sena v Cardo Scala Freeco
    Reply #7 on: May 22, 2020, 12.51 pm
    May 22, 2020, 12.51 pm
    Thank you very much mtowngoldie for the detailed and helpful information regarding the Cardo Freecom units, particularly relating to your own setup, which is the way I had hoped to set up my own re the SE, Zumo, headsets and radio/music. With the Cardo range being marketed as waterproof and rated 'IP67', this may be the way to go, and would provide me with some protection against water ingress under warranty.

    I appreciate your point on the Packtalk regarding the number of riders who you can connect to, which I will take into consideration when making a final decision. Usually I ride alone, or with a friend, both with pillions, so initially I had discounted the Packtalk units, are their spec was way above what I was looking for. Having looked at them again following your reply, the new Packtalk Bold could future proof any need for additional functions as these units feature DMC as well as Bluetooth. Definitely worth further consideration.

    Are you able to confirm please if your system is the Freecom 4, or the Freecom 4+ ?

    I've read a couple of comments on other forums, that some riders can accidentally cause the thumbwheel to rotate on the bottom of the Freecom 4+, as their jacket rides up at the shoulder when they turn their head to the left. Not a major issue, but another consideration nonetheless. Also do you have any knowledge on the security of the Cardo units on the helmet mount ? Several comments exist elsewhere about units falling from the mountings during rides. Some opinions suggest that the Sena mounts are much more secure due to the units sliding into the holder from above, as opposed to a side entry on the Cardo units. It may well be that the 'lost' Cardo units hadn't been secured properly on some occasions. This is a major consideration, as the last thing I need is to 'drop' a unit on the open road, for obvious reasons.

     

     



    tweedy-bunch