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    Triumph Motorcycles in trouble?
    on: Jun 10, 2020, 11.21 pm
    Jun 10, 2020, 11.21 pm
    Just seen this article on You Tube by Stuart Fillingham

    I personally think Triumph "lost the way" around 2005 to 2010 and most of their bikes since then have been small production runs of bikes with slightly different specifications with different suffixes and prefixes which most struggle to understand. The new Explorer with its engine/wheel/electronic combinations for example? They also seem to be ploughing ahead with their "classics" which are reincarnations of once popular 50's and 60's models. With an ageing buyer base, they certainly seem to be grasping at straws and definitely don't make anything I am interested in buying. It also seems many buyers are now put off because it is no longer being "Made in Britain", coupled with the announcement of lots of UK redundancies. Mind you, they aren't the only ones to outsource to the far east.
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    Re: Triumph Motorcycles in trouble?
    Reply #1 on: Jun 11, 2020, 06.01 am
    Jun 11, 2020, 06.01 am
    Our Stuart Fillingham is a bit of a Royal Enfield fanboy and this video does need to be viewed with that in mind.
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    Re: Triumph Motorcycles in trouble?
    Reply #2 on: Jun 11, 2020, 05.17 pm
    Jun 11, 2020, 05.17 pm
    *Originally Posted by 1675 [+]
    They also seem to be ploughing ahead with their "classics" which are reincarnations of once popular 50's and 60's models. With an ageing buyer base, they certainly seem to be grasping at straws and definitely don't make anything I am interested in buying.

    All I would want is a faired bike, not necessarily as large as 1200cc, and I don't need all the electronic gadgets.  The level of gadgets on my previous 1998 Trophy would be quite enough, and less to go wrong.  I don't think I'll be able to get that from Triumph in the rest of my lifetime.
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    Re: Triumph Motorcycles in trouble?
    Reply #3 on: Jun 11, 2020, 06.18 pm
    Jun 11, 2020, 06.18 pm
    If itís anything like the products that I sell, most of the buyers are completely convinced that they donít need ďall of the gadgets and why canít manufacturers simply build an uncomplicated and reliable one, cheaplyĒ.

    Then, we lose a sale when it doesnít have the most obscure and near pointless function that a competitorís machine has. Worse still, they only express the need for that obscure function long after theyíve bought the machine and their default position is usually to accuse mis-selling  :003:

    Usually best to fit every obscure electronic function imaginable and get used to most owners only using 5% of it. I have a similar relationship with the multiple programs on my washing machine, of which I only use three 🙄
    Last Edit: Jun 11, 2020, 06.20 pm by RedMerle
    13 Tiger 1200 Red, White & Gold  - 2013 to date
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    Iím not fussy, as long as itís built in Hinckley or Solihull and tours, or goes off road, Iím happy!

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    Re: Triumph Motorcycles in trouble?
    Reply #4 on: Jun 11, 2020, 09.26 pm
    Jun 11, 2020, 09.26 pm
    *Originally Posted by Novocastrian [+]
    All I would want is a faired bike, not necessarily as large as 1200cc, and I don't need all the electronic gadgets.  The level of gadgets on my previous 1998 Trophy would be quite enough, and less to go wrong.  I don't think I'll be able to get that from Triumph in the rest of my lifetime.

    For those of us who specifically went out and bought a Trophy SE, I'd say that the gadgets and comfort etc were exactly what we wanted in a bike, that's the part of his video I totally disagreed with. :002:

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    Reply #5 on: Jun 11, 2020, 10.17 pm
    Jun 11, 2020, 10.17 pm
    *Originally Posted by earthman
    For those of us who specifically went out and bought a Trophy SE, I'd say that the gadgets and comfort etc were exactly what we wanted in a bike, that's the part of his video I totally disagreed with. :002:

    Not me.  I was happy with my previous 4 cylinder Trophy.  This next model didn't have the option to leave them out ! 
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    Re: Triumph Motorcycles in trouble?
    Reply #6 on: Jun 11, 2020, 10.33 pm
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    I never owned a 1200 Trophy 4, but I did own a Sprint 900 and a Daytona 1200.

    What are the new gadgets that you donít like? Personally, I like the heated seats & grips, ABS, adjustable seat height, adjustable windscreen and power take offs. Okay, Iíd quite like an old analogue clock and fuel gauge back  :028:
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    Re: Triumph Motorcycles in trouble?
    Reply #7 on: Jun 11, 2020, 10.45 pm
    Jun 11, 2020, 10.45 pm
    *Originally Posted by Novocastrian [+]
    Not me.  I was happy with my previous 4 cylinder Trophy.  This next model didn't have the option to leave them out ! 
     :002:

    Well to be fair there's loads of other bikes that you could have opted for then,....it's us folk who want the stereo and all the gadgets who are in the minority and have little choice really.