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    Brake Bleeding and Fault Code
    on: Oct 21, 2020, 06.38 am
    Oct 21, 2020, 06.38 am
    Today I got TigerTool V3.1 up and running on my bike in anticipation of a brake bleed tomorrow. 

    However, I found a DTC C1661 "Power Source Voltage Drop". 

    Service Manual page 15.50 says the ABS warning light will illuminate when the fault is logged and extinguish if the fault clears.  My ABS light was never on that I am aware of however I did start and kill the engine several times last weekend without riding the bike.

    Could my C1661 simply be caused by my battery voltage being too low?  After installing all my electrical goodies here: https://www.triumph-trophy.com/index.php/topic,10544.0.html the Skene light controller stopped working after about 3 hours of use.  During the troubleshooting phase of determining my problem was the Skene controller the bike engine was started and stopped several times.  I am sure the battery reserve was greatly reduced since the bike wasn't ridden nor the battery charged afterward. 

    Today (without riding the bike to recharge the battery) I read the codes with TigerTool and found code C1661, so I am curious if this scenario only suggests that my battery needs to be charged.

    I cleared the code with TigerTool then took the bike on a ride and the ABS light never came on.  Tomorrow I will check the resting battery voltage and also check to see if the C1661 DTC has returned.

    If the code returns I need to go through the testing on page 15.67, yet I am confused by some of the steps. 

    1. Make sure the ABS ECM connector is secure.  If it was secure then disconnect it and proceed to test 1.

    2. Test 1 "ABS ECM connector pin 16 and Ground Pin 24"  I don't understand how to test this.  Is this testing if pin 16 is securely attached to its green wire and that pin 24 is securely attached to the black ground wire?

    Assuming Test 1 is Ok then I proceed to test 2.

    I am very concerned about this fault as I am planning a multi-day trip on the bike in the very near future.  Tomorrow will involve oil/filter change, new tires and brake bleeding.  I need to find some peace of mind concerning this C1661 fault.

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    Re: Brake Bleeding and Fault Code
    Reply #1 on: Oct 21, 2020, 07.39 am
    Oct 21, 2020, 07.39 am
    I think ( personal opinion ), especially in view of your description,
    that this DTC will have been thrown up as a result of low main battery voltage.

    Make sure the ABS ECM connector is secure. 
    If it was secure then disconnect it and proceed to test 1.

    That is correct - Obviously if the connector was found not to be secure,
    such as not being pushed fully home, then you would secure it and that may be the end of the problem.

    The next instruction to disconnect the connector assumes it was secure,
    and the next step is to disconnect ( unplug ) it , to allow the subsequent tests to be performed.


    Test 1 "ABS ECM connector pin 16 and Ground Pin 24"  I don't understand how to test this. 

    Is this testing if pin 16 is securely attached to its green wire and that pin 24 is securely attached to the black ground wire?

    Yes ! - Test 1 states "Check terminal and cable integrity"
    i.e. check the cable and its terminating connector are secure, no corrosion etc,
    and providing a good electrical connection into the ABS ECM.

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    Re: Brake Bleeding and Fault Code
    Reply #2 on: Oct 21, 2020, 02.37 pm
    Oct 21, 2020, 02.37 pm
    Coconut,

    Thanks for the prompt response.   :047:  I hope others gain knowledge from my simple questions.   

    By the way, the factroy heated grips that I installed are working (heating), but I do not have an indicator of such on my display. 

    I don't think it worth a trip to the dealer just to have the display indicator turned on.

    Maybe that will be added as a feature to TigerTool at some point.

    Ken

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    Re: Brake Bleeding and Fault Code
    Reply #3 on: Oct 21, 2020, 02.52 pm
    Oct 21, 2020, 02.52 pm
    *Originally Posted by kirkkw [+]
    By the way, the factroy heated grips that I installed are working (heating), but I do not have an indicator of such on my display. 

    I don't think it worth a trip to the dealer just to have the display indicator turned on.

    Maybe that will be added as a feature to TigerTool at some point.
    Hmm, perhaps.  :084:

    It's a VERY simple command (likewise for the heated seats) but I'd need to think about how best to reformat the 'Insts' menu layout on TigerTool to accommodate these options. The two commands only work on the Trophy so I've never bothered to add them, given that the software was originally written for use on Tigers.
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    Re: Brake Bleeding and Fault Code
    Reply #4 on: Oct 21, 2020, 09.57 pm
    Oct 21, 2020, 09.57 pm
    kirkkw :

    That Function ( enabling the Heated Grips Icons ) IS available with "DealerTool",
    and while there is a Fee to purchase the DealerTool device and Software,
    the cost of buying it - especially when coupled with the Free TigerTool software,
    can often be recovered the first time you DON'T have to
    resort to paying a Dealer to carry out one of the many available functions !

    For any Forum Member in the UK : I have the Unlimited License version of DealerTool
    ( the Standard version is electronically tied to a single motorcycle )
    and I am happy to demonstrate it or help with Diagnostics,
    Enabling / Disabling those Heated Seats and Grips Icons etc etc.

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    Re: Brake Bleeding and Fault Code
    Reply #5 on: Oct 22, 2020, 02.06 am
    Oct 22, 2020, 02.06 am
    Interestingly, the hardware looks like the device I bought to use TigerTool.  It might be the same thing with a DealerTool label.   I'd bet that it would work all I therefore would need is the software.  I have emailed DealerTool to ask if my interface device would work and if so, would they sell me their software.

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    Re: Brake Bleeding and Fault Code
    Reply #6 on: Oct 22, 2020, 10.27 am
    Oct 22, 2020, 10.27 am
    *Originally Posted by kirkkw [+]
    Interestingly, the hardware looks like the device I bought to use TigerTool.  It might be the same thing with a DealerTool label.   I'd bet that it would work all I therefore would need is the software.  I have emailed DealerTool to ask if my interface device would work and if so, would they sell me their software.

    Ken
    That's because it is essentially 'similar'. The difference being that their leads get a serial number coded into them that, together with the bike's ECU data, is linked to the license that they supply.

    They won't sell their software because it's already freely available to download from their website. The links are present on numerous forums, including this one. However, the software is useless without a valid license and interface.

    I have no affiliation with Dealertool whatsoever, but I would recommend that anyone who plans on doing any tinkering / servicing with their bikes should consider buying it.
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    Re: Brake Bleeding and Fault Code
    Reply #7 on: Oct 22, 2020, 10.35 am
    Oct 22, 2020, 10.35 am
    I have no affiliation with Dealertool whatsoever, but I would recommend that anyone who plans on doing any tinkering / servicing with their bikes should consider buying it.

    I second that ! - Also having no affiliation to the Company.

    As you need to get an Interface cable to use the free TigerTool software,
    you can have the best of both worlds if you buy the DealerTool Interface
    which is suppplied with their Software, as as the DealerTool Interface
    will also work with the free TigerTool Software  :152: