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    DealerTool Data
    on: Nov 15, 2020, 01.11 am
    Nov 15, 2020, 01.11 am
    My DealerTool arrived today and I got it set up without a hitch.  I have the sensor readings, but I don't have much idea what any of it means.  I'm hoping someone more knowledgeable than I can identify any problem that would keep the bike from running on it's own at idle.









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    Re: DealerTool Data
    Reply #1 on: Nov 15, 2020, 10.33 am
    Nov 15, 2020, 10.33 am
    I know that it's not cheap but I suggest that you buy the genuine factory workshop manual, you can't beat that for such figures and fault finding.

    Sorry but there's no short answer, like any modern vehicle that uses complex systems, could be many things that causes X problem.

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    Re: DealerTool Data
    Reply #2 on: Nov 15, 2020, 03.35 pm
    Nov 15, 2020, 03.35 pm
    smash,

    Having just checked my Trophy and compared with your Screenshots,
    the 2 things that stand out most to me are :

    1) The Closed Throttle NOT being adapted - It should be, and

    2) All the screenshots are without the engine running -
    Posting some screenshots with the engine running may help in further diagnosis.

    All the other Sensor voltages etc, where shown, have similar readings to mine.

    Cheers  :821:

    Last Edit: Nov 15, 2020, 03.36 pm by Coconut

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    Re: DealerTool Data
    Reply #3 on: Nov 15, 2020, 04.16 pm
    Nov 15, 2020, 04.16 pm
    I have a service manual.  All I could find for the sensors in the manual was the units in which the values would be reported, not the vaulues themselves.  I'll get some screen shots when my wife can help me while I keep the bike running.

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    Re: DealerTool Data
    Reply #4 on: Nov 15, 2020, 04.39 pm
    Nov 15, 2020, 04.39 pm
    Here are the shots with the engine running.  Thanks for taking a look at it.  The throttle adaptation is definately a red flag, as I believe this almost has to be some sort of fuel issue.  Also, I cleared the fault codes and none came back except the 1575 for the cruise control switch test.









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    Re: DealerTool Data
    Reply #5 on: Nov 15, 2020, 04.58 pm
    Nov 15, 2020, 04.58 pm
    Notice the coolant temp was only 14c, you are not going to get accurate data until the engine is warm, probably closer to 90c.

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    Re: DealerTool Data
    Reply #6 on: Nov 15, 2020, 10.03 pm
    Nov 15, 2020, 10.03 pm
    Here is the data with a warm engine.  I checked the throttle bodies while I held the throttle at 1100 rpm and they showed balanced.  I've also noticed the engine now goes up to about 3k rpm when I first start it and after a 2-3 seconds will drop below 1k and stall.  It is also pretty difficult to hold steady rpms with the throttle. 

     











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    Re: DealerTool Data
    Reply #7 on: Nov 15, 2020, 10.54 pm
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    Something weird is going on, when you ran it at 14C all the MAP, injector and ign adv where all about the same, now at 90C(normal operating), cylinder 1 has far more fuel and adv than cylinder 2,3. MAP values still show as being about the same, which means the throttle bodies are more or less in balance.
    There is only one throttle position sensor, one oxygen sensor so there is no way for the ECU to adjust one cylinder over another? Need to understand why cyl 1 is acting so different from the other 2, that being said I am not sure whether cylinder 1 is normal or whether 2-3 are normal.

    Need to get some data from another bike running under similar conditions to see where to look.

    Even though the MIL light is off, have you checked for codes, would make it a lot easier to diagnose.

     



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