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  • Offline Mahaflac

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    Changing my mind on the Trophy.
    on: Jan 11, 2021, 03.38 am
    Jan 11, 2021, 03.38 am
    I have been in the market for a Trophy. I found 2013 with 44000 miles $5500. After searching this forum and looking at some potential problems these bikes can have, I have about changed my mind. Can anyone offer different advice? Are my thoughts valid?
    Keep the rubber side down and the shiny side up.

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    Re: Changing my mind on the Trophy.
    Reply #1 on: Jan 11, 2021, 09.53 am
    Jan 11, 2021, 09.53 am
    It might help if you aired your specific concerns.

    Which problems are you worried about ?


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    Re: Changing my mind on the Trophy.
    Reply #2 on: Jan 11, 2021, 10.53 am
    Jan 11, 2021, 10.53 am
    Hello Mahaflac, :400: to the forum.
    Lots of happy  :152: trophy riders here.

    Greetings

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    Re: Changing my mind on the Trophy.
    Reply #3 on: Jan 11, 2021, 12.16 pm
    Jan 11, 2021, 12.16 pm
    Just pointing out that you are looking at a first year production model.  Not always the best strategy.

    Look for a 2015 or later, imho.

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    Re: Changing my mind on the Trophy.
    Reply #4 on: Jan 11, 2021, 04.23 pm
    Jan 11, 2021, 04.23 pm
    *Originally Posted by tdragger [+]
    Just pointing out that you are looking at a first year production model.  Not always the best strategy.

    Look for a 2015 or later, imho.

    What he said.  :038:

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    Re: Changing my mind on the Trophy.
    Reply #5 on: Jan 11, 2021, 05.29 pm
    Jan 11, 2021, 05.29 pm
    *Originally Posted by Coconut [+]
    It might help if you aired your specific concerns.

    Which problems are you worried about ?



    Here are my concerns; as posted by Coconut on facebook.

    All Trophy models had 2 years unlimited mileage warranty from the date of first registration.

    In addition to the usual checking of Service Records,
    here is a list of things to keep an eye out for when buying a Previously owned Trophy :

    Handbooks :
    There should be 3 ( 2 for the Non SE Model ).
    Owners Handbook, Service Handbook, and Audio Handbook.
    These may be found in a storage recess on the underside of the Pillion Seat.

    Audio Software Version :
    ALL US / Canadian Export Models ( But NOT applicable to any other Markets ).
    Check the Audio Software Version.  The first Software release ( Version 1.04A ) had a "bug"
    that in some instances could result in the XM Radio Audio module not shutting down
    when the Ignition was turned Off, resulting in the Main Battery being completely drained,
    which then required replacement of the Main Battery.
    A Software update was released ( Version 1.04E ) that fixed this issue,
    but there are many Trophies that have not been updated.
    See this Topic ( one of many ) for details on how to check the Software Version :
    Help Needed: Battery Drained, Again

    "Diagnostic Trouble Codes" ( DTC's ) - Triumph's Name for "Fault Codes :
    These can be checked for and displayed on the Instrument Panel.
    See this Topic for how to do that, and check at the foot of Post Reply #8 to download
    a list of the various DTC's that may be displayed, with a brief description of their meaning :
    Servicing Data, Reference Info. & DTC ( Fault ) Codes

    Ignition Wiring Fault
    This is now subject of a worldwide Safety Recall - SRAN 574.
    A number of Trophy Owners ( all Years ) have reported failure of the Ignition switch wiring,
    due to it being mis-routed around the Headstock and becoming stretched when the handlebars
    are turned fully right, or becoming trapped by the Front Brake Hose - this can result in wire(s)
    being pulled out of the base of the Ignition switch, or physically cut by the scissoring action
    of the brake hose against it, and the engine cutting out or not starting.
    Check the handlebars for free movement from lock to lock with the Ignition ON.
    If faulty the Ignition or some circuits may switch Off briefly when the handlebars are turned
    fully to the right.

    Front Disc Brakes :
    These seem to be prone to developing what appears to be Warping of the discs.
    While the Discs may be warped, this could also be due to the "Bobbins"
    on which the Discs Semi-Float, becoming seized, and the Discs running out of true -
    though not warped, in such a condition they can exhibit the same "pulsing"
    that would be experienced if they were warped, but this can be remedied
    by cleaning and freeing the Bobbins with proprietary Brake Cleaner.
    Topic ( amongst many others ) here : Front Brakes Pulsing


    Rear Suspension lower Drag Link Bearings :
    If these Bearings seize ( particularly the forward one ) it can lead to BREAKAGE of the Drag Link,
    as discussed in detail here : Drag Link failure - Rear Suspension
    They are scheduled to be stripped down, inspected and lubricated every 20,000 miles, or 2 years.
    Many Members now carry out this procedure routinely at least every year.  :169
    :

    Gear Change Pedal Pivot Bolt breakage :
    ( Also applies to the Rear Brake Pedal Pivot Bolt ).
    Several Members have had this part break - shearing off flush with the engine casing,
    resulting in being unable to change gear, and the broken stud having to be drilled out.
    Check for smooth and free operation of the Pivot.
    The same part is used on the Rear Brake Pedal but for some reason this seems far less prone to breaking.
    Topic here : History of Shifter Lever bolt breaking ?


    Engine - Camshaft Tensioner
    When starting the engine from cold listen out for a harsh rattling
    that lasts for just a few seconds - this can be an indication of a worn
    Cam Chain Tensioner, where it's oil pressure is not held when the engine
    is not running and may require replacement
    .

    Engine - Idling
    The engine should Idle smoothly from start up at any temperature.
    Once at normal operating temperature, the engine should idle at 1000 RPM,
    but will run higher this when cold, and gradually settle down as it warms up.
    If the engine runs roughly at Idle or cuts out, this can be an indication of
    the Throttle Bodies being out of balance and in need of adjustment,
    or an air leak at the Throttle bodies due to being incorrectly seated
    or the transition pieces being cracked.
    ( With thanks to Member Mad Dog for this information ).

    Final Drive Casing Corrosion :
    Look for peeling or bubbling black paint indicating that the underlying alloy casing is corroding
    .

    Radiator Corrosion :
    Difficult to see and access behind the Fairing Panels, but some Members have reported
    corrosion of the Radiator, with the Paint covering flaking away.


    Coolant Leaks
    Check the expansion Tank level - visible from inside the left front wheel arch,
    and for any obvious signs of leaks on the shop floor - sometimes attributable to loose hose clamps.

    Oil Leaks :
    Check underneath the Trophy for any signs of an Oil leak -
    sometimes attributable to loose Crankcase bolts.


    Heated Handlebar Grips :
    Note that every Trophy is equipped with the Handlebar Switch
    for Heated Handlebar Grips - but the Grips themselves are an Optional Accessory,
    so they may not be fitted - Some Dealers will advertise the Bike has Heated Grips
    because of the switch being there, without having checked they are actually fitted !
    Note that the Heated Grips only heat up when the engine is running.

    TPMS ( Tyre Pressure Monitoring System ) :
    All Trophy SE Models had TPMS as standard equipment from new.
    The non SE Model had this as an Option.
    With age, the internal sensor batteries drain, throwing up a
    "WARNING - BATTERY LOW FRONT ( or REAR ) TYRE" Message on the Instrument Panel.
    The TPMS Sensors are not designed to have their batteries replaced,
    and the complete sensor would normally need to be replaced.
    ( Some Members have had limited success in breaking open the Sensor casing
    and soldering new batteries in ).

    Some Owners have decided to have the TPMS system disabled by a Dealer,
    or by use of the After Market "DealerTool" device,
    so that the nagging Warning Message is not displayed at all.
    Check during a Test Ride that the TPMS system is functioning -
    the Pressures only appear in the display after riding for a short distance.

    Motorised Screen :
    Check for smooth travel across the full range UP and DOWN -
    Some Screens have been reported to be temperamental - either sticking,
    or refusing to move UP or DOWN beyond a certain point.
    . This problem is visible in a video

    Top Box & Lock Barrel :
    The Triumph Top Box is an optional accessory.
    All NEW Trophies were supplied with a spare lock barrel for use in the Top Box,
    negating the need for a separate key.  It was usually found inside the Tool Roll
    under the riders seat, or in the Glove Box.
    Check this is present if the Trophy you are considering doesn't have a Top Box,
    especially if you may get a TopBox at a later date - it will be difficult to get a new Barrel keyed alike.

    Cylinder Head “Upgrade”

    There was an "issue" with some of the very first Trophy production bikes
    where the Cylinder Head could develop a rattling noise.

    Triumph didn't issue a "Recall" for this, but did offer a Free of charge "Upgrade"
    which involved a modification to the Cylinder Head.

    This only applied to Trophy models with VIN Number up to 602960,
    after which the Modification was already incorporated.


    There is a very old Topic - dating back to November 2013, ( which runs to 65 pages ! ) here :

    Engine up-grade email from Triumph

    ECU RECALL 2012-13.
    The first few Trophies from VIN Number 561284 to 637165 were subject to an ECU Recall,
    so check with a Triumph Dealer that this has been done if it falls within that VIN Range.

    Centre Stand Recall ( RM2013/033 )
    From VIN 561284 to 590855 ( Build dates 01/06/12 to 28/02/13  ).
    The Centre Stand Recall added a strengthening bracket.
    After the above range a modification to the Frame was utilised and the bracket was not needed..

    Other Recalls and Service Bulletins
    Any Triumph Dealer should be able to confirm which other Recalls and TSB's are applicable,
    and whether they have been carried out.  These include, but may not be limited to :
    TSB 473 - Side Stand Pivot Bolt - Retorque ( 20 NM ) -
    With thanks to Ken Hastie for the information on this one, and,
    TSB 486 - Gear Change Pedal - reposition.
    Last Edit: Jan 11, 2021, 05.39 pm by Mahaflac
    Keep the rubber side down and the shiny side up.

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    Re: Changing my mind on the Trophy.
    Reply #6 on: Jan 11, 2021, 06.03 pm
    Jan 11, 2021, 06.03 pm
    Hmmm ...

    ... as posted by Coconut on facebook.

    No - as posted by me on this Forum - if it's on Facebook someone else has copied and posted it !

    Perhaps I should have included a Paragraph to confirm that this is NOT a list of things
    that are likely to go wrong with all Trophies, it is a guide and compilation of things to look for
    when considering a purchase, rather than going in totally "blind".

    This list was compiled so that prospective purchasers had an idea of things to look out for, and to
    be aware of, even though some of the items are not a problem, have affected very few Trophies,
    or have been addressed by Triumph etc.

    In order :

    Warranty ? - That no longer applies as there are no Trophies built in the last 2 years,
    unless you happen to find one that has never been sold ( unlikely ),
    but I fail to see why you've listed that as a concern.

    Handbooks - Not a concern

    Audio Software version - Not a concern - an update was released that resolves the issue,
    you just need to make sure the update has been done.

    DTC's - Not an issue - guidance given on how to check for any, so you can avoid buying a Trophy
    that may have a fault, and can then walk away or get it sorted before purchase.

    Ignition wiring Fault - Addressed by Triumph with a Worldwide Safety Recall Inspection.

    Front Disc brakes - Has affected a few Trophies, but guidance given within the Forum
    seems to have limited the issue.

    Rear Suspension Lower Bearings - Only appears to be an issue with lack of maintenance and lubrication.

    Gear change pivot bolt breakage.  This has affected a few Trophies - Triumph have updated the part,
    and advice is given in the Forum regarding maintenance / lubrication, and modified parts.

    Engine camshaft tensioner - can begin to fail with age - but relatively few affected,
    and relatively easy to replace.

    Engine idling - Not a common problem - included in the list so that prospective purchasers
    know how the engine should idle, and investigate further if necessary before buying.

    Final Drive and Radiator corrosion - Again not a common problem but a small number of Owners
    have reported this so included in the list of things to look for when buying.

    Coolant and Oil leaks - again not common problems - just something else to look out for.

    Heated Handlebar Grips - Not an issue - something to be aware of when buying to make sure
    you know whether Heated Grips are actually fitted or not.

    TPMS - Listed so as to be aware that TPMS batteries don't last forever ( :015:
    and may require the sensors to be replaced.

    Motorised screen - again - something that a few Owners have reported and included
    so it can be checked for correct operation by a potential purchaser.
    I do not know which Video you are refrring to.

    Top Box Lock - Useful information - not really a problem !

    Cylinder Head Update and other Recalls - Not issues as they have been dealt with by Triumph.

    Cheers  :821:






    Last Edit: Jan 11, 2021, 06.17 pm by Coconut

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    Re: Changing my mind on the Trophy.
    Reply #7 on: Jan 11, 2021, 06.25 pm
    Jan 11, 2021, 06.25 pm
    Coconut

    Thanks for clarification. Not all of the list was a concern. I highlighted some of the concerns in red. I just posted the entire list.  I am sure someone just reposted your info on a Facebook page.

    I guess my biggest fear is the unknown. I know almost nothing about Triumph and the reliability of the bikes. I have been riding mostly Honda for 42 years. For Honda, I think nothing about 44,000 miles or even 88,000 for that matter. But I have no idea what that means to a first year model of the Trophy.

    I am concerned about some minor issues. In a video that was sent to me, the windshield went up but not down while the bike was on the center stand. I have read accounts of the gear linkage bolt breaking and other minor issues.

    I may just making more out of this than I should. I know a lot of people are happy with the Trophy. It checks off a list of items that I want on a sport tourer. I just want to make an informed decision and I have a short amount of time to do it.

    Thanks for your patience with me.

    Last Edit: Jan 11, 2021, 06.29 pm by Mahaflac
    Keep the rubber side down and the shiny side up.

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