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Re: Stall/shutoff issue, no DTCs!?!?!
« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2021, 10:11:05 am »
*Originally Posted by Coconut [+]
I will need to double check as the Wiring Diagram doesn't provide the information,
( maybe digital can confrm ), but I believe the switch is "Made" when the Side Stand is UP.

As you say Coconut, it is correct ...

Coconut, I have checked and closes the two switch contacts when the side stand is raised, when it is lowered is when the switch line is open. Obviously if I disconnect the connector from the side stand. Triumph's diasnostic tool says the side stand is down. So if there are cuts in that line, whether they are fixed or intermittent cuts, the motorcycle does not start or depending on the state of that line, the engine may stop with the motorcycle running. But that can happen to any type of motorcycle.
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Re: Stall/shutoff issue, no DTCs!?!?!
« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2021, 12:06:53 pm »
Thanks digital - I wanted to confirm this before advising that
the two wires at the switch could be Bridged if the switch is faulty.  :028:


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Re: Stall/shutoff issue, no DTCs!?!?!
« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2021, 02:06:02 pm »
Yes, okay Coconut, the two wires can be jumpered to rule out a bad sidestand switch.
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Re: Stall/shutoff issue, no DTCs!?!?!
« Reply #19 on: June 07, 2021, 11:00:12 pm »
*Originally Posted by Flux_Capctr [+]

Honestly, I love this motorcycle, but if it keeps giving me grief like this I'm just going to trade it in for something else. That new Pan America from Harley has really grabbed my attention. I'd go with a Triumph Tiger or a R1200RT but, as a matter of fact, Harleys are more reliable than both BMW and Triumph.

It can be extremely frustrating diagnosing an intermittent fault. With that said, it can happen with any machine.

Regarding your comment about Harley-Davidson’s superior reliability these days, I can put you in touch with any number of my Wisconsin neighbors that used to be died in the wool HD aficionados, and have all abandoned the brand due to, you guessed it, reliability issues. The grass, it seems, is always greener on the other side of the hill when one’s motorcycle is having problems.  :164:
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Re: Stall/shutoff issue, no DTCs!?!?!
« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2021, 02:05:24 am »
I believe Consumer Reports did a study of the reliability of MC brands and HD and BMW didn't fare too well.  Not sure if they included Triumph.

As far as troubleshooting an intermittent side stand switch,  jumper it and ride the bike for several days.  If the problem doesn't reoccur, then remove the jumper and re-connect the connector.  If the problem returns, then the switch probably is intermittently bad.  That was a technique we used troubleshooting intermittents when I worked in the biomedical equipment department in a large hospital - if you think it's fixed, re-install the suspected bad part and see if the problem returns.
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Re: Stall/shutoff issue, no DTCs!?!?!
« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2021, 02:09:06 am »
I found the CR Study and looks like we are in deep do-do  :003:  However, I know the previous owner of my TTSE.  He traded it in for a new K1600GTL BMW - poor guy ....................

Reliablity by brand
Brand   Percent failed
Yamaha/Star   11%
Suzuki   12
Honda   12
Kawasaki   15
Victory   17
Harley-Davidson   26
Triumph   29
Ducati   33
BMW   40
Can-Am   42

With a larger sample size than in our previous motorcycle survey, now counting 12,300 motorcycles, we were able to add more brands and resolution this year. For this analysis, we adjusted for mileage driven over a 12-month period and estimated repair rates for 4-year-old models without a service contract.
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Re: Stall/shutoff issue, no DTCs!?!?!
« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2021, 02:10:54 am »
Consumer Reports.
Now that's a trusted motorcycle related publication if I ever heard of one!
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Re: Stall/shutoff issue, no DTCs!?!?!
« Reply #23 on: June 11, 2021, 02:14:15 am »
Saddle Tramp :

They have the experience analyzing reliability data,  regardless of the type of vehicle.
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