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    OEM Battery Brand
    on: Apr 23, 2022, 03.29 am
    Apr 23, 2022, 03.29 am
    I bought my 2015 TTSE about a year and a half ago and the service records that came with the bike don't show the original battery has been replaced yet.   Of course, that doesn't mean it hasn't, either.

    The battery looks fairly new to me.  It's hard to believe it's 7 years old, but maybe it is.  No date code anywhere on the battery.

    Can anyone tell me what OEM brand battery their TTSE came with ?  Mine is a Yuasa 20 AH AGM battery, BTW.  It's a fairly big battery.   Both my ST1100  and Concours C-14 only use a 14 AH battery.
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    Re: OEM Battery Brand
    Reply #1 on: Apr 23, 2022, 06.57 am
    Apr 23, 2022, 06.57 am
    Page 168 of the Owners Handbook doesn't state the Make of the Battery ( which is Yuasa )
    but lists it as a YTX20L-BS 12volt 18 Ah.

    My original Battery had a small "Triumph" sticker on it with the last 6 digits of my VIN Number,
    If there's one of those present on your Battery it probably indicates it is the original Battery.

    I don't think Yuasa put a date code on these batteries because when they are supplied to their Customer,
    such as Triumph, or a Battery retailer, they are supplied with the Electrolyte gel in a bottle.
    The "BS" of the part number means "Bottle Supplied".

    The "date" of the Battery is therefore dependent on when the Electrolyte
    was first added, and the battery was charged up / commissioned.

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    Re: OEM Battery Brand
    Reply #2 on: Apr 23, 2022, 08.15 am
    Apr 23, 2022, 08.15 am
    I have just replaced mine but not the BS version.  Noticed crisper idle, no flicker when idling, no odd gremlins (TTC switching off and the radio too). 

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    Re: OEM Battery Brand
    Reply #3 on: Apr 23, 2022, 01.31 pm
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    BTW,  Not long after the the engine is started and the battery is re-charged after being slightly drained by the starter current, the electrical system is using the alternator current, and not the battery anymore.  That's why the "running" voltage is more than the non-running battery voltage.
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    Re: OEM Battery Brand
    Reply #4 on: Apr 24, 2022, 02.17 am
    Apr 24, 2022, 02.17 am
    Sounds like the installed battery is not the original battery.  Maybe the used MC dealer I bought the bike from replaced it and no record was kept of that because the bike sat on the floor for about 3 years before I bought it.

    BTW,  I was curious how well a 14 AH battery would spin the TTSE engine over.  I had a 9 year old 14 AH AGM battery that came out of my old ST1100 about 5 years ago.  I have kept it on a maintainer and it still tests good under load.  I installed it in the TTSE and it spun the engine over just fine.

    The reason I mention this is because the DEKA catalog lists a 14 AH battery for the TTSE and a 14 AH AGM battery is quite a bit less than the 20 AH AGM battery that was installed in my TTSE when I bought it.  So IMO a 14 AH battery should work just fine in a TTSE.  And it weighs less too and may make a difference in handling since the battery is located kinda high above the center of mass of the bike.

    The 14 AH AGM battery is the same height and width as the 20 AH AGM battery but not quite as long.  The 14 AH  AGM battery fits just fine.
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    Re: OEM Battery Brand
    Reply #5 on: Apr 24, 2022, 02.36 am
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    STJIM, it's good to see the new battery has solved a few of your issues. I also have just recently fitted a new battery into my Trophy. My bike is a 2016 build and the battery that I replaced was the original. On purchasing the replacement from my local auto electrician. I noted that the electrolyte came in a little pack that had to be added to the battery to set the charging process happening. The auto electrician did it at the shop and explained that most batteries come that way now so that they don't sit on the shelf for an extended time prior to purchase. Makes sense really, new battery, add fluid, fully charged from purchase time.  :821: :028:
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    Re: OEM Battery Brand
    Reply #6 on: Apr 24, 2022, 06.23 am
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    ..... the DEKA catalog lists a 14 AH battery for the TTSE ....

    I think you'll find that is the Listing for the previous Model of Trophy ! ( 1991-2002 ).
    The correct battery specified by Triumhp for our Trophy is the YTX20L-BS.

    Comparison :

    YTX14-BS
    Capacity Ah (10-HR)    12
    Capacity Ah (20-HR)    12.6
    Weight with acid (kg)  4.6
    Acid volume (litre)    0.69
    Charge current (Amps) 1.4 A
    Length (mm)    150
    Width (mm)    87
    Height (mm)    145


    YTX20L-BS
    Capacity Ah (10-HR)    18
    Capacity Ah (20-HR)    18.9
    Weight with acid (kg)  6.7
    Acid volume (litre)     0.93
    Charge current (Amps) 1.8
    Length (mm)    175
    Width (mm)    87
    Height (mm)    155

    I would be cautious of using a lower rated battery than specified
    by the experts who designed the Trophy - The YTX14-BS may well be Okay
    for use as a temporary replacement, but, especially at 9 years old,
    is more likely to fail or cause problems in harsher conditions
    than the more powerful battery intended for the Trophy.

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    Re: OEM Battery Brand
    Reply #7 on: Apr 24, 2022, 01.58 pm
    Apr 24, 2022, 01.58 pm
    Coconut:

    That possibly explains the listing error - thanks.  But I think the catalog showed 1215 c.c. and TTSE , not simply Trophy.  I'll double check that in a few days, the next time I'm in town.

    I like to replace the battery as a PM measure every 4 or 5 years ( maximum ).  I don't want a failure on a long IBA ride or even a short ride, for that matter.  The installed battery was working just fine but ready for a PM replacement.

    I wasn't planning on using the 9 year old 14AH battery as a replacement.  It wouldn't make much sense to replace a possible 7 year old battery with a 9 year old battery.  I was just interested in determining how well a 14 AH  AGM ( 210 CCA ) battery compares to a 20 AH  AGM   ( 300 CCA ) in starting the TTSE.  AGM batteries turn over an engine better than a standard flooded lead acid battery,  BTW.  I use only AGM batteries in my MC's because of that and also because they are sealed batteries, so there is no risk of electrolyte being vented out and causing damage. And they have a bit higher AH and CCA rating than the same physical size flooded lead acid battery.

    The 1215 c.c.  3 cylinder TTSE has 405 c.c.'s per cylinder compared to the C-14  1352 c.c.  4 cylinder  338 c.c.'s per cylinder.  The old 14 AH  AGM battery spun over the TTSE just fine.

    I was wondering if the much greater number of c.c.'s per cylinder of the TTSE might make a difference.  But now on second thought 210 CCA's is more than enough for a MC engine ( besides a big V-Twin perhaps ).

    I'm not concerned about using a 14 AH battery in the TTSE.  As I have stated above in a previous post,  once the bike is started, the battery basically has nothing to do with how the bike operates since  the alternator is handling the electrical load when running.  We are lucky to have the auto style 70 amp alternator on the TTSE.  Plenty of reserve amps.  The only other consideration that I can think of is how the smaller battery handles the "suspension calibration" ( electric motor operation ) before the bike is started.  The old 14 AH AGM battery passed that test, too.

    I have a new Chinese 14 AH  AGM battery on order from an EBay vendor  -  $56 w/free shipping and Michigan state tax included.  I'm retired and living on a fixed income, BTW.
    Last Edit: Apr 24, 2022, 02.26 pm by STJIM
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