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    A couple of lighting queries.
    on: Jun 21, 2022, 09.08 pm
    Jun 21, 2022, 09.08 pm
    Well.  Im doing a few things on my new (to me) TTSE, so its currently in the garage with all the plastics off.

    Im still checking over systems since getting the bike last week, and Ive noticed that the headlamp adjuster does not seem to work.
    I can access HEADLIGHTS in the adjustment menu, and tap the switch up or down, and the graph dot moves up and down, but there is no change to the lights.
    Is there something I am doing wrong, or is there a fuse I can check or is it likely a bad motor.  I can twist the motor off, but I can remove it due to the bulkhead of the frame.
    I take it if it needs replaced, the headlight housing will have to come out?

    Many thanks
    Last Edit: Jun 21, 2022, 09.34 pm by Pauli363

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    Re: A couple of lighting queries.
    Reply #1 on: Jun 21, 2022, 09.48 pm
    Jun 21, 2022, 09.48 pm
    I note that you mention that you have placed 5-volt LEDs, I suppose you will be using a 5-volt reducer stabilizer since the voltage that circulates through those bulbs is 12 volts.

    As for replacing the OEM turn signal bulbs with LEDs, it is somewhat complicated, since to put LED bulbs you should place the resistors that the manufacturer attaches or sells separately.

    Better than resistors, I advise placing an exclusive relay for the turn signal LED bulbs, the only thing is that a good modification would have to be made since the trophy makes the turn signal bulbs flash, through the instrument panel.

    I assume you know that if you set the instrument panel to auto mode in the instrument panel settings, the turn signals automatically turn off after a few seconds. There are many people who do not know that.

    If you want to place led bulbs for the turn signals, I advise you to place the ones that Coconut mentions in the following publication:

    https://www.triumph-trophy.com/index.php/topic,11901.msg132528/topicseen.html#new
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    Re: A couple of lighting queries.
    Reply #2 on: Jun 21, 2022, 09.54 pm
    Jun 21, 2022, 09.54 pm
    *Originally Posted by digital [+]
    I note that you mention that you have placed 5-volt LEDs, I suppose you will be using a 5-volt reducer stabilizer since the voltage that circulates through those bulbs is 12 volts.

    As for replacing the OEM turn signal bulbs with LEDs, it is somewhat complicated, since to put LED bulbs you should place the resistors that the manufacturer attaches or sells separately.

    Better than resistors, I advise placing an exclusive relay for the turn signal LED bulbs, the only thing is that a good modification would have to be made since the trophy makes the turn signal bulbs flash, through the instrument panel.

    I assume you know that if you set the instrument panel to auto mode in the instrument panel settings, the turn signals automatically turn off after a few seconds. There are many people who do not know that.

    If you want to place led bulbs for the turn signals, I advise you to place the ones that Coconut mentions in the following publication:

    https://www.triumph-trophy.com/index.php/topic,11901.msg132528/topicseen.html#new

    Sorry Digital, I had amended my post probably as you were typing!  I meant 5w bulbs, not 5v.  In any event, it was my own stupid fault.
    As the bike was stripped down, the front indicators were actually disconnected and removed from the bike!  So it was only the back 2 indicators, and the flashing arrows on the dashboard connected hence the hyper flashing.  I have connected the front indicators and all is now good.

    Do you have any thoughts on my query re the headlamp adjuster motor above? 



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    Re: A couple of lighting queries.
    Reply #3 on: Jun 21, 2022, 10.39 pm
    Jun 21, 2022, 10.39 pm
    If the scroll bar on the instrument panel slides from right to left it means that it is sending the necessary command to turn the headlight motor, no there is no fuse, just a single fuse for the headlight adjustment motor.

    It is possible that the light adjustment motor itself is failing, but it is not certain that this is the problem.

    The light adjustment motor uses three cables, ground, one cable that comes from the instrument panel that sends commands via the Can-Bus line and another goes to the headlight relay and goes through the headlight switch, so apparently the headlamp motor shares the same fuse as the headlamps so if the fuse were to fail you would also have a problem with the headlamps then you should check.

    You could have a problem with the positive cable that comes out of the light relay and goes to the headlight adjustment motor (blue cable).
    The other wire is blue/white and goes to the 36 pin instrument panel connector A36, it could be a bad connection.

    Finally, if all this is correct, there is a problem in the light adjustment motor, you can insert voltage directly to the motor and see if the motor works.

    It is clear to me that injecting ground and positive directly will not work, since it surely uses positive tones that I do not know what type of voltage enters it when it sends the commands through the instrument panel. (it can be dangerous to inject directly) 12 volts where the blue/white cable is connected. To be sure, this I should try.
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    Re: A couple of lighting queries.
    Reply #4 on: Jun 21, 2022, 10.46 pm
    Jun 21, 2022, 10.46 pm
    This that I have put at the end of my writing "To be sure, this I should try" I mean that I could try it if I find an engine that I think I had as a spare...
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    Re: A couple of lighting queries.
    Reply #5 on: Jun 21, 2022, 11.34 pm
    Jun 21, 2022, 11.34 pm
    Thanks.  I got to the bottom of it.
    I took off the headlight and had a look at the motor.
    Essentially it is a stepper motor attached to a threaded bolt which acts as piston when you use the handlebar control to move the lights up or down.  This threaded bolt goes into a bracket in the reflector assembly.  When you adjust the handlebar setting down, the stepper motor pulls the threaded bolt up a stop and dips the whole reflector assembly down, and vice versa for going back up.

    Essentially there is a socket at the end of the threaded bolt on the motor to adjust the starting position of the bolt when its threaded into the reflector adjuster, and I think this had gotten itself out of its proper setting.

    So I then set the dashboard button to reflect the lowest beam, ie fully down on the display,  I then put the motor back in the headlamp assembly and screwed the adjuster on the motor manually until the reflectors were at their maximum downward trajectory.  When I then used the switch to move the dashboard display up to the right, ie headlamp highest position, the motor 'pulled" the reflectors back up to a higher position.  All seems to be great now, although when I get the bodywork back together I will need to do a road test to be sure.
    Its handy dealing with all these little things when the bike is bare.  I am waiting on a new radiator fan, so had the panels off.  The dashboard, front screen assembly and 'nose' come off quite easily.  The bike resembles a cafe racer currently!  I just hope I can remember how to put it all back together again!

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    Re: A couple of lighting queries.
    Reply #6 on: Jun 22, 2022, 12.42 am
    Jun 22, 2022, 12.42 am
    I'm glad it was like that. I'm pretty sure from what it counts, it will work once I have it mounted.

    To put everything back in its place, you won't have any problems doing it either, it's simple, it's just going step by step just like you did when you disassembled everything.

    I have never had a screw left over or missing, I am very cautious about it, if I ever have a screw left over, I dismantled again what would have been necessary until the screw was placed.

    I have the method of taking a few bags before disassembling the motorcycle, and in each bag I place the screws belonging to each thing and I label the bags, that way I can't make a mistake, if there are any screws left or missing.
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