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    Trophy idle / stall
    on: Aug 10, 2022, 06.32 pm
    Aug 10, 2022, 06.32 pm
    hi all,

    Its been a while since i posted, largely due to the bike being with Triumph dealership trying to resolve an issue.
    Believe it or not I have been asked to poll you owners to see if any of you are having a similar issue or just degrees of the same issue.
    Currently the dealership have two bikes doing the same things.

    Both bikes are 2013 SE models.

    If you can follow the steps and tell me the results.

    1. Start the bike from cold.
    2. Rev it to 4000rpm - let the throttle go - does it idle ok?
    3. Rev it to 8000rpm - let the throttle go - does it idle ok?


    let it warm up :
    4. Rev it to 4000rpm - let the throttle go - does it idle ok?
    5. Rev it to 8000rpm - let the throttle go - does it idle ok?

    Doesnt matter what year - im just interested if anyone else get rough idle and/or the occassional cut out.

    So far Triumph have tried a variety of different attempts to fix the issue, resetting everything back to default.
    Ive even purchased a second set of throttle bodies (second hand) , as Triumph wouldn't send a set to try (apparently they don't like doing that).
    Nothing has made any difference - and Triumph seem to be out of ideas.


    Just so your aware of the issue Im having - at cold - it idles fine 

    When its hot, if i rev past 5k it splutters and dies.
    It will restart no problem and idle fine until you rev past 5k.


    If some of you could have a check for me, I'd appreciate it.

    And yes it was suggested to me by a triumph dealer, that 'maybe some just do that' - hence the request.

    So i though I'd check, even though thats not an acceptable answer.

    Obviously if someone knows how to fix it. Please post here

    Currently awaiting another round of emails to come from Triumph on what to try next.

    its been with Triumph since i first spotted the issue in April this year and I'm getting to the end of my tether with it.

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    Re: Trophy idle / stall
    Reply #1 on: Aug 10, 2022, 07.19 pm
    Aug 10, 2022, 07.19 pm
    Coconut or digital will probably be along soon with some questions and possible help for solving the issues.  Digital has built a complete test bench with all the components separated for easy access to troubleshoot anything on the Trophy and is able to replicate problems and solve them and coconut has extensive experience solving problems on the Trophy.  I've never been on any other motorcycle forum that had anyone with more expertise on a particular model.  Probably outshine the factory with these two.
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    Re: Trophy idle / stall
    Reply #2 on: Aug 11, 2022, 08.10 am
    Aug 11, 2022, 08.10 am
    Way shout someone speed up a cold engine up to 8,000 rpm??
    there is not adequate lubrication everywhere, temperature  differences and therefore not yet optimal fits.
    I think needer a warm engine shout be speeded up that high without a load.

    My car is limited to 4,000 rpm, my previous was limited even to a lower number, I do not think it does not make sense.
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    Re: Trophy idle / stall
    Reply #3 on: Aug 11, 2022, 09.32 pm
    Aug 11, 2022, 09.32 pm
    Hi  jaapvanthoff

    Once you engine is started, after a few mins you should be able to to blip the throttle to 8k without an issue.
    Im not expecting that you start the engine and immediately hold the revs at 8k  :114:

    It takes 5+ mins for your engine to warm.


    Its a simple request, out of curiosity to see if any other SE owners have a similar issue. I would imagine most would not know as we probably do not tend to rev the engine from neutral (not being adolescent on a two stroke  :745: )

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    Re: Trophy idle / stall
    Reply #4 on: Aug 12, 2022, 09.32 pm
    Aug 12, 2022, 09.32 pm
    It does not explain what tests have been carried out at the distributor...

    The causes can be for various reasons and at the same time complicated if we do not know what DTC error codes come out, because it is obvious that in these circumstances, some will show. That would help us from a distance to know where the shots are going.

    The fault can be electronic, some sensor is not doing its job well or even the CDI unit itself.

    It is also very possible that the throttle sensor or the throttle adjustment sensor is failing.

    These are the two things that I would first make sure they work as well with the engine hot as it does cold.

    From there. They can be other things, but for their part, more information needs to be expanded.

    As trophied says. I have a Trophy dune mounted on a workbench and whatever you need, I can carry out the necessary tests...
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    Re: Trophy idle / stall
    Reply #5 on: Aug 14, 2022, 04.14 pm
    Aug 14, 2022, 04.14 pm
    Been away for a few days - lets see if i can elaborate.


    Initially - i was just interested to see if people would try the above and let me know if its an issue lurking...


    But I can give you the low down in chronological order.

    To be clear - there never have been any DTC's at all - ever.

    This is the list of things Triumph UK have asked the dealer to do based on sending reports from the


    Airbox, Pipes reseated in case twisted.
    new air filter
    New spark plugs
    Valves clearances checked and in the middle of the range.
    Valve timing reset.
    Throttles bodies  rebalanced - by the dealer. (was already fine)
    TPS reset (was already ok)
    Cylinder pressure tested - perfect
    Leak down test -  not done as dealer doesn't have one.
    Fuel pressure was measured at 2.5 bar when it should be 3.5 - Dealer has used a different tank and it still reads at 2.5bar. - still awaiting when Triumph say - dealer thinks 2.5 bar is ok.
    Tried a different set of throttle bodies (didnt fix it)
    Checked all values at cold and also hot - triumph were happy with the values.

    As mentioned, there are two bikes in the dealers with the exact same issue.

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    Re: Trophy idle / stall
    Reply #6 on: Aug 14, 2022, 06.49 pm
    Aug 14, 2022, 06.49 pm
    speighty58,  I'm probably not going to be much help, but to answer your question, I own a 13 SE (70,000 miles) and do not have the condition you describe.  Fuel pump and or filter comes to mind???  Not that it's that relevant but a friend had a Suzuki 4 stroke outboard that somewhat acted like what you are experiencing.   It was due to mostly to lack of use sitting around with ethanol gas in it.  The Suzuki dealer showed me the fuel filter, almost completely plugged with a gray like gunk which he claimed came from the ethanol and very little usage.

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    Re: Trophy idle / stall
    Reply #7 on: Aug 14, 2022, 11.03 pm
    Aug 14, 2022, 11.03 pm
    Since all of the bodywork and tank must have been removed to have done all that WAS accomplished I wonder why no one thought to put a new fuel filter in.  Just because another tank was tried doesn't mean that it didn't also need a fuel filter if it had been sitting for any length of time.  Here's my reasoning.  My brother had a car one time that was having issues going dead when climbing long hills, but it would always restart and continue until it was under heavy load again.  He replaced everything under the sun on it and I kept asking if he had put a fuel filter on it, and the answer was always NO, that the filter was only 3 months old.  I caught him gone after he borrowed my dad's car to run an errand and I went to a parts store, bought a filter, installed it while he was gone, test drove it on the steepest hill I could find, and the problem never surfaced again.  Would have saved him hundreds of dollars.
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