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    Will start, shift that's it
    on: Sep 11, 2022, 12.29 pm
    Sep 11, 2022, 12.29 pm
    Been a minute. I hope y'all can help. Rode 40 miles to work fine, problem started as I was parking.I had shifted into neutral, then decided to move to a different spot. Starts fine and idles in neutral. Shift into first and as soon as I let the clutch out a tiny bit, well before it engages, she stalls. After repeating this a couple times in a row, the display turns off and won't come back on until later. Starts fine then, but stalls as before. If there is a thread on here about this, point me to it. Thanks guys and gals.
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    Re: Will start, shift that's it
    Reply #1 on: Sep 11, 2022, 02.21 pm
    Sep 11, 2022, 02.21 pm
    That's a strange one  :084:

    I am assuming that you have had the Ignition Switch Wiring Safety Recall Inspection carried out ?
    ( See the Link in my signature line below if you haven't ! ).

    The first thing is to check for any Fault Codes ( Triumph calls them "Diagnostic Trouble Codes" or "DTC's" ).

    • Turn the Ignition OFF.
    • Press and hold IN the Scroll UP button, and the "i" button with one hand
      and keep them pressed IN while switching the Ignition key to the ON position.
      ( Don't start the engine )
    • Keep those buttons pressed IN until the Speedo & Tacho dials
      have completed their sweep, then release them.

    The Diagnostics menu screen should now be displayed with any stored DTC's.
    "P0000" is good - it means there are no codes stored.

    If there are any other DTC's listed - post them back here.
    If there are more than one, you can scroll through them with the scroll buttons.
    Take Photo's of any DTC's as a record, which may be useful to show a Dealer later on if needed.

    If there are no DTC's check the following for correct operation
    which are all part of the Safety interlock system and could lead
    to the engine shutting off if there is a problem with any of them.

    The safety interlock is designed to only allow the engine to start when these conditions are met :

    • Ignition is ON
    • Run / Kill switch is set to RUN
    • Clutch is held IN
    • IF any Gear is selected the Side Stand must be UP
    • IF the Side Stand is DOWN, the gearbox must be in Neutral.

    Possible faults with the Safety Interlock system are :

    • Side Stand switch / wiring faulty
    • Gear Position Sensor / wiring faulty
    • RUN Switch / wiring faulty
    • Clutch switch / wiring faulty

    If you have the after market DealerTool it is possible to connect
    and check the operation of these switches.

    Other less likely possibilities include a problem with the Immobiliser system,
    or the Triumph / DataTool S4 alarm ( if fitted ).

    Question : When you shift into first gear as described,
    does the Instrument Panel Gear Selector display correctly and change from "N" to "1" ?

    Last Edit: Sep 18, 2022, 01.45 pm by Coconut

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    Re: Will start, shift that's it
    Reply #2 on: Sep 12, 2022, 12.38 am
    Sep 12, 2022, 12.38 am
    I have not done the recall check yet. The answer to the question at the bottom is yes, at least from n>1. I'll try to check the codes in the am, or should I take it to the stealer, I mean dealeer. I do have the dealer tool.
    Last Edit: Sep 12, 2022, 12.42 am by NCScooter
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    Re: Will start, shift that's it
    Reply #3 on: Sep 12, 2022, 07.19 am
    Sep 12, 2022, 07.19 am
    I have not done the recall check yet...

    Why not? - Have you not received any notification about it from Triumph ?

    If not you should make sure your ownership is registered with them.

    The Safety Inspection Recall is required, as the description suggests, for your safety !
    It could prevent a tragic incident from occurring if your engine were to cut out
    at an inopportune moment, such as on a bend or during an overtake.  :005: 

    Check the Codes - Take a Photo of any, but don't delete them.

    Before riding anywhere else take it to the Dealer,
    and get the Safety Inspection carried out.

    Whether or not the Ignition Switch Wiring is the cause of your problem,
    having the Inspection done is a MUST !

    Let us know how you get on  :028:




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    Re: Will start, shift that's it
    Reply #4 on: Sep 12, 2022, 02.49 pm
    Sep 12, 2022, 02.49 pm
    Sounds like it might be the safety switch in the clutch grip, try squiring it with electronic clearer. Then pull it a few times, might get it going for you.

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    Re: Will start, shift that's it
    Reply #5 on: Sep 18, 2022, 01.41 pm
    Sep 18, 2022, 01.41 pm
     I never tried to start my bike with th sidestand down.  Is that possible to do? If so, it would be the sidestand switch.
    Sounds like maybe the ECM thinks the side stand is down ?

    I think I'll give that a try in a bit.
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    Re: Will start, shift that's it
    Reply #6 on: Sep 18, 2022, 01.50 pm
    Sep 18, 2022, 01.50 pm
    As below, it is normal that the engine CAN be started
    with the Side Stand DOWN, IF the Gearbox is in Neutral.


    The problem isn't one of the engine not starting though,
    it's that the engine cuts out as soon as the clutch is released.  :084:

    An update ffrom NCScooter would be useful  :015:




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    Re: Will start, shift that's it
    Reply #7 on: Sep 18, 2022, 04.15 pm
    Sep 18, 2022, 04.15 pm
    My bad. As Coconut suggested, I have made an appointment to have the recall fixed. Unfortunately, that appointment is for 8 November.
     
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