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What VIN for what year?
« on: September 09, 2015, 06:50:39 am »
Does anyone know of (or have) a list to correlate VIN with model year?

Although I bought my bike in March 2015 I believe it is a 2014 model (it doesn't have the updated cruise controls), but I am hoping it is not even older…
« Last Edit: September 14, 2015, 05:40:31 pm by ShaunDW »
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Re: What VIN for what year?
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2015, 07:10:59 pm »
I don't know of any List as such.

I believe Hinckley make the Bikes to satisfy Orders and the VIN is allocated at the start of the Manufacture of each individual bike, regardless of Model.

There may be some element of Batch Production so some Trophies may have consecutive numbers.

FWIW my '12 TTSE was first registered 6th August 2012 and the VIN is 564408
1992 Trophy 900 MkI (aka My Lady Tracey)
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Re: What VIN for what year?
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2015, 07:59:41 pm »
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Triumph+VIN+decoder

Quoted from a post in the 3rd entry from that search:

1st character- Identifies the country in which the vehicle was manufactured.
For example: U.S.A.(1or 4), Canada(2), Mexico(3), Japan(J), Korea(K), England(S), Germany(W), Italy(Z)

2nd character- Identifies the manufacturer. For example; Audi(A),
BMW(B), Buick(4), Cadillac(6), Chevrolet(1), Chrysler(C), Dodge(B),
Ford(F), GM Canada(7), General Motors(G), Honda(H), Jaquar(A), Lincoln(L), Mercedes Benz(D), Mercury(M), Nissan(N), Oldsmobile(3), Pontiac(2or5), Plymouth(P), Saturn(8), Toyota(T), VW(V), Volvo(V). Motorcycles and trailers use a different set of manufacturer codes.

3rd character- Identifies vehicle type or manufacturing division.

4th to 8th characters- VDS - Vehicle Descriptor Section. These 5 characters occupy positions 4 through 8 of the VIN and may be used by the manufacturer to identify attributes of the vehicle. Identifies vehicle features such as body style, engine type, model, series, etc.

9th Character - The check digit "character or digit 9" in the sequence of a vehicle identification number (VIN) built beginning with model year 1981 (when the 17 character digit format was established) can best be described as identifying the VIN accuracy.

A check digit shall be part of each vin (since 1981) and shall appear in position
nine (9) of the VIN on the vehicle and on any transfer documents containing
the vin prepared by the manufacturer to be given to the first owner for purposes
other than resale. Thus, the vins of any two vehicles manufactured within a 30
year period shall not be identical. The check digit means a single number or letter
"x" used to verify the accuracy of the transcription of the vehicle identification
number.

After all other characters in the VIN have been determined by the manufacturer
the check digit is calculated by carrying out a mathematical computation
specified. This is based on vin position, sample vin, assigned value code,
weight factor and multiply assigned value times weight factors. The values are added and the total is divided by 11. The remainder is the check digit number.
The correct numeric remainder - zero through nine (0-9) will appear.
However, if the remainder is 10 the letter "X" is used to designate the check
digit value/number.

10th character- Identifies the model year. For example: 1988(J), 1989(K), 1990(L), 1991(M), 1992(N), 1993(P), 1994(R), 1995(S), 1996(T),
1997(V), 1998(W), 1999(X), 2000(Y)------2001(1), 2002(2), 2003(3)

11th character- Identifies the assembly plant for the vehicle.

12th to 17th characters- VIS - Vehicle Identifier Section. The last 8 characters of the VIN are used for the identification a of specific vehicle. The last four characters shall always be numeric. Identifies the sequence of the vehicle for production as it rolled off the manufacturers assembly line.
Converto, ergo sum.       '15 300RR, '15 250XCF-W, '14 K1600GT, '12 VFR1200, '05 GSXR600 (track).

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Re: What VIN for what year?
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2015, 06:54:49 am »
Thanks for that Volfy.
Just what I was after - except the 10th "date" character doesn't apply in Europe (or mine was made in 2009!).
I rather hoped that there may be a range of VIN numbers for each year that was available as a list.
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Re: What VIN for what year?
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2015, 08:45:24 am »
In the most excellent book "Hinckley Triumphs, The First Generation" by David Clarke ISBN 978-1-84797-341-2 there is an explanation of the way the VIN is made up in Appendix II

It's not quite so Technical as the explanation provided by "Volfy" but uses as an example the VIN for a 1994 Speed Triple with the VIN SMTTC301DMRXXXXXX which is broken down as follows.... still based on the 17 Character string

SMT = Triumph
TC301 = Frame/Model (Speed Triple)
D = Engine Type (885cc)
M = Final Drive Ratio (17/43)
R = Year Code (1994)
XXXXXXX = Serial Number

It should be noted that not all Letters were used in the original Table given in the Appendix... I, O and Z for instance. Other characters, such as B may also be excluded for whatever reason. From my Tiger 800 days i seem to recall that the Country of Manufacture became a point of contention but was not included in the VIN as such but in a separate "box" on the VIN Plate. Pity I can't remember what the Code for Hinckley was  :138:

Using this "Formula" on my Sophie's VIN for example I get

SMT = Triumph
V2H11 = Frame/Model (Trophy SE)
E = Engine Type (1215 cc/134 PS)
9 = Final Drive Ratio (2.557:1)
D = Year Code (2012)
XXXXXX = Serial No.

Perhaps other interested Forum Members and Trophy Owners might like to apply this Formula and see if we can't come to some concensus
1992 Trophy 900 MkI (aka My Lady Tracey)
1997 Trophy 900 MkII (aka My Lady Sharon)
2012 Trophy SE MkIII (aka Sophie)

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Re: What VIN for what year?
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2015, 03:09:05 pm »
FWIW, here's my '14 TTSE:

1st:         S - England
2nd:        M - Triumph
3rd:         T - (same for my Sprint GT, S3R and TTSE, so probably just means it's made by Triumph's main division)
4-8th:     H02XK - Vehicle descriptor Section
9th:         0 - Check digit
10th:       E - Year Code: 2009(9), 2010(A), 2011(B), 2012(C), 2013(D), 2014(E), 2015(F)  This pattern holds true for ALL my bikes... and cars.
11th:       J - Assembly plant.  Same "J" for TTSE and Sprint GT.  S3R is "T"
12-17th: 605XXX
Converto, ergo sum.       '15 300RR, '15 250XCF-W, '14 K1600GT, '12 VFR1200, '05 GSXR600 (track).

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Re: What VIN for what year?
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2015, 05:57:19 pm »
My TT (bought new & 1st registered March 2015) breaks down using the Hinckley Triumphs solution provided by Gordon3xBBB as follows:

SMT = Triumph
V2H10 = Frame/Model (Trophy A1 – I assume, for that is what it is)
E = Engine Type (1215 cc/134PS)
9 = Final Drive Ratio
E = Year Code (2013 – assumed from D=2012 in prior example)
XXXXXX – Serial No.

Using the Volfy method becomes nonsensical after the 8th character.

So does that mean my bike is really a 2013 model?
Pacific Blue Trophy A1
Honda Bros 650 (since import from Japan in '95)
History (best of):
KE125, CB250T, DT400, GS425, GS650G, XR200, CB900F2, FJ1200, K1200RS

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Re: What VIN for what year?
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2015, 06:19:49 pm »
Hi ShaunDW...

I may have made a slight error in my VIN example...

Just checked the VIN Enquiry form I have from Triumph and my TTSE is a 2013MY (Manufacturing Year) even though it was First Registered in August 2012..
Sorry for the confusion, but my TTSE is a former "Triumph registered bike" before being Sold-On to Joe Public..

So the "D" for the Year Code could well be "2013" which would make your bike an "E" for 2014 (Manufacturing Year).

Is yours a basic Trophy or a Trophy SE ?
1992 Trophy 900 MkI (aka My Lady Tracey)
1997 Trophy 900 MkII (aka My Lady Sharon)
2012 Trophy SE MkIII (aka Sophie)