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Re: Unbelievable maneuver by driver while motorcycle was passing him..
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2015, 01:16:00 pm »
The car driver would be charged criminally here with assault..  BUT both motorcycle operators would also be charged with reckless operation for speeding and passing on all those no passing zones.   
I just really hate it when other bikers and I dont really consider these guys true bikers,  drive recklessly and cause bad public perceptions of the larger majority of true bikers that respect the laws and realize they apply to every vehicle on the road.   
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Re: Unbelievable maneuver by driver while motorcycle was passing him..
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2015, 01:36:07 pm »
If the car was truly driving well below the speed limit, then it would be OK to pass.  We do that with tractors, old ladies, mail carriers, etc.

If the car was close to the speed limit, then the riders should not have passed.  The driver obviously knew the first bike was back there and may have been operating  in a passage aggressive mode by slowing down to bait the rider into attempting to pass.

We don't know the whole story, but no matter what the rider's were doing, the driver assaulted with a deadly weapon and should be prosecuted.

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Re: Unbelievable maneuver by driver while motorcycle was passing him..
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2015, 02:01:16 pm »
Well judging by the previous minutes of video,  I would say it is easy to see how fast the bikes were going on average  CATCHING and passing every other vehicle on this 2 lane back country road with NO passing areas clearly marked.  And sorry BUT unless the vehicle in front has activated his 4 way flashers and pulled as far as possible to the shoulder and slowed considerably  YOU Can NOT make your own law and pass in a NO passing zone.
Granted the car driver still should be charged with intentional aggravated assault with a motor vehicle ( not classified a deadly weapon). 

But be reasonable,, think of how many citizens that they passed at warp speed in the other no passing zones, and all those citizens now have a ruined perception of bikers as being above the law and reckless assholes.

I have been riding for over 4 decades  been a police officer for over 3 decades, and good portion of that in fatal collision reconstruction, been a certified MSF instructor for a decade, all of which certifies me as older than dirt,
My wife had a car door swung open into her lane while on her honda rebel, while I was riding behind her on my wing.  Luckily she only caught a glancing blow at 10 mph.   I quickly removed said driver from his car and held him until my fellow officers showed up and and transported him to processing,, His excuse in court,, he had just been scared off the road by a dozen crotch rockets weaving in and out of traffic.  Judge gave him probation, because he said he had also been victimized by reckless bikers.

so because of a few asses like these riders the rest of us pay the penalty
OH and by the way my beautiful 2012 bright blue wing was totaled a year ago when I was intentionally run into a jersey wall by a truckload of rednecks .  I was in uniform enroute to work and they saw me, slowed down next to me , flipped me off then turned into me.. So I have been on both sides,,  So yes the car driver should be charged criminally,, BUT we need to all be good ambassadors of our chosen way to travel, Just like out of the thousands of LEOs who work 24/7 in all kinds of nasty conditions get a bad name by a few dozen bad apples that get splattered across the lame stream media.

In the video,, his female passenger should have been beating him half to death for driving that crazy.  I know if my daughters boyfriend ever did that,, it would be a looonnnggg time before he was ever found
 
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Re: Unbelievable maneuver by driver while motorcycle was passing him..
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2015, 04:30:59 pm »
I can make no judgment on speed based on the video, but, if your assessment is correct, then I agree with you 100 percent except for the flashers on and at the side of the road.

 If we had to wait for someone to put on their flashers, then we couldn't pass anyone including bicycle riders since they legally have full use of the lane in the two states I commute in.
We have a lot of either passive aggressive drivers, or they are oblivious to anyone else on the road.  The drive well below the speed limit in the curves, and over the speed limit in the passing zones.

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Re: Unbelievable maneuver by driver while motorcycle was passing him..
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2015, 06:21:50 pm »
IMO, Rider was not in control of his bike or the situation. If you are going to pass on a double solid you have to assume total responsibility for what may happen. That includes old farts turning without signalling their intentions and, the dip sh#t behavior of those you have pissed off for whatever reason.

Sure there will be charges and the old fool will be proven to be an old fool but, that does not alter the facts. Rider was not in control of his vehicle, the situation, and their safety.

I know this will not be a popular perspective but there you go.

YMMV

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Re: Unbelievable maneuver by driver while motorcycle was passing him..
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2015, 06:34:57 pm »
*Originally Posted by Studley [+]
IMO, Rider was not in control of his bike or the situation. If you are going to pass on a double solid you have to assume total responsibility for what may happen. That includes old farts turning without signalling their intentions and, the dip sh#t behavior of those you have pissed off for whatever reason.

Sure there will be charges and the old fool will be proven to be an old fool but, that does not alter the facts. Rider was not in control of his vehicle, the situation, and their safety.

I know this will not be a popular perspective but there you go.

YMMV

Studley

Would your opinion be different had this been a passing zone? 
It makes me think twice about passing idiots, even if done so legally.

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Re: Unbelievable maneuver by driver while motorcycle was passing him..
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2015, 08:13:16 pm »
*Originally Posted by twowheeladdict [+]
Would your opinion be different had this been a passing zone? 
It makes me think twice about passing idiots, even if done so legally.

Good point, no my opinion would not be different in a single solid or broken line pass. I made this point a while back regarding traveling above posted limit. I want to get on down the road and away from traffic in the least offensive manner possible. The rider drew the attention and ire of a fool, that proved to be a mistake.

>>>It makes me think twice about passing idiots, even if done so legally.<<<

It certainly does

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