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DealerTool alternatives
« on: January 08, 2016, 11:33:08 pm »
Sorry, this is a bit off topic, but Does anyone know if our Trophy ECMs are proprietary such that they can only be "scanned" by the DealerTool?  Or, are they compatible with many of the  rather inexpensive (via Amazon.com) Mini ELM327 OBD2 Bluetooth adapters? 

These "wireless" devices can be used with a mobile device like a cell phone or tablet with Bluetooth to investigate a CEL (Check Engine Light). 

I've used a couple of these devices - even a very cheap Chinese made, no name, brand  - on my late model (2015) Triumph Bonneville T100.   The bike came from the Triumph factory with an industry standard, OBD-II, 16 pin, "DLC" connector under the seat.  This connector works fine with the various ELM327 compatible OBD2 BT Adapters.   I "think" the Trophy has exactly the same OBD2 connector under the seat which infers it can use "ANY" OBD2 compatible scan tool which meets industry standard OBD2 protocols.

Similarly inexpensive Android OBD Scanner apps like "TORQUE" and "DASH COMMAND" to name a few of the most popular, are quite powerful programs.  Obviously, however, they cannot read an ECU's internal map or used to modify or remap an ECU either.  They are strictly "read only" devices.   

I don't believe the DealerTool discussed in this thread can do any actual ECU "tuning".  It is also merely a read only scan tool as well.  However, like virtually all DIY scanners, it can erase DTCs or clear trouble codes as well as reset a CEL, and may be able to reset the service required interval indication on the LCD.

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Re: DealerTool alternatives
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2016, 05:44:59 am »
The OBD2 scanner that I use on my 2012 Thruxton, wasn't able to communicate with the ECU on my 2014 Trophy. The Dealer Tool solved that problem very well. I recommend it highly!
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Re: DealerTool alternatives
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2016, 01:58:03 pm »
*Originally Posted by dsinned [+]
Sorry, this is a bit off topic, but does anyone know if our Trophy ECMs are proprietary such that they can only be "scanned" by the DealerTool?  Or, are they compatible with many of the  rather inexpensive (via Amazon.com) Mini ELM327 OBD2 Bluetooth adapters?

I use BAFX ELM327 Bluetooth OBD 2 CAN V1.5 Scan Tool in conjunction with Tuneecu for Android without issues.
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« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2016, 10:08:19 pm »
I have Tom Fontaine's TuneECU and used its derivative called "TuneLoader"sold by Triumph Twin Power (TTP) as well.  The later requires a OBD-II to USB adapter cable to function on a laptop Windows PC.  TuneLoader is a "special purpose" OBD2 scanner application, that worked very well on my 2015 Bonneville T100 to remap its ECU. 

That bike has a set of Triumph Off Road Silencers (TORS), eliminated/plugged SAI and O2 sensors, and performance enhancements to the inlet airbox.  My Bonnie now starts up, idles and accelerates smoothly, with no trace of popping or backfires from high speed deceleration. 

I never tried TuneECU on my 2014 Trophy (which also supports Android mobile devices) when used with a BT enabled OBD2 Adapter.  I was unaware that it supports our bikes.  In fact, I did not see the Trophy listed on the TuneECU website as one of the newer model Triumphs supported yet. 

Lemuriano, are you saying TuneECU does in fact support our TTSEs with either TTP's TuneLoader OBD2 to USB adaptor cable running on a Window PC, or wirelessly with a BT enable OBD2 adaptor running on an Android mobile device?   Please advise.

TuneECU is a fairly useful diagnostic OBD2 scanner application program, but lacking some gauge functions (e.g. speedo) with no end user customizing capabilities like several other similar applications.

Of the many available Android apps in the Google Play Store, I used one called "OBD2 Car Doctor Pro" on my 2015 Bonneville. It reported the OBD2 protocol known as "3-ISO09141-2" is used by Triumph in that bike.  I believe this protocol is a commonly used European version of the Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) OBD2 standard. 

If the Trophy uses the same protocol, it should work with any generic, but fully compatible OBD2 diagnostic scanner.   
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Re: DealerTool alternatives
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2016, 09:14:49 am »
This Topic has been created and Split from the DealerTool Group Buy Topic,
as the comments posted here do not relate to that Group Buy,
but to alternatives to the DealerTool product.

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Re: DealerTool alternatives
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2016, 07:36:21 pm »
*Originally Posted by lemuriano [+]
I use BAFX ELM327 Bluetooth OBD 2 CAN V1.5 Scan Tool in conjunction with Tuneecu for Android without issues.
Interesting.  This adapter generally has excellent reviews and can be purchased from Amazon.com for around $20.  It is available in two different "wireless" (no cable required) versions that look physically identical, either Bluetooth (BAFX) or WiFi (other suppliers).  The latter supports iOS devices which is usually not the case for lots of other similar products due to Apple's stringent licensing restrictions.

Do you know which OBD2 protocol the Triumph Trophy (2013 and up) uses?
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« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2016, 09:58:12 pm »
I  have only used my Dealer tool a couple of times so far and it's great, however I'd be interested in an android device if it can at least clear codes. Just thinking of trips away from home and not having my laptop on board.

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Re: DealerTool alternatives
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2016, 11:14:29 pm »
dsinned,

Lemuriano, are you saying TuneECU does in fact support our TTSEs with either TTP's TuneLoader OBD2 to USB adaptor cable running on a Window PC, or wirelessly with a BT enable OBD2 adaptor running on an Android mobile device?   Please advise

Yes, but it have to be TuneEcu for Android, connected via BT with the OBD 2 version 1.5. I read in the forum that version 1.4 also work, but haven't try that. 
There are some OBD 2 in the market that wrongly indicate version 1.5 when they are actually 2.1, so to be in the safe side I suggest that you try the BAFX ELM327 Bluetooth OBD 2 CAN V1.5.

After 33k miles my TTSE have been at a dealer twice, first for the 600 miles service and later to disable the TPMS (they charge me 20).

With TuneEcu I can reset adaptation just with the click of a button and in a few seconds, reset service intervals, clear DTC codes etc. without licensing restrictions.   

Do you know which OBD2 protocol the Triumph Trophy (2013 and up) uses?

I don't.

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