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    Use of audio wihout the engine running
    on: Mar 21, 2016, 12.37 pm
    Mar 21, 2016, 12.37 pm
    Hi all,
    I know I have seen in here somewhere a thread about using the audio system in the garage while working on other projects
    The problem I have is that while the ignition is switched on to use the audio system, the other systems on the bike are live. (Coils etc) as it is expecting the starter to be pushed any moment.
    Also, unless the engine kill switch is pressed, the alarm wants to activate every 45 seconds.
    Is there an easier way to do this?
    Thanks
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    Re: Use of audio wihout the engine running
    Reply #1 on: Mar 21, 2016, 03.37 pm
    Mar 21, 2016, 03.37 pm
    Buy a separate radio for the garage for $20?

    With regard to the bike specifically, no... everything is charged up and ready to go with the ignition on; leave it like that too long and the battery will eventually drain low enough to require charging.
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    Re: Use of audio wihout the engine running
    Reply #2 on: Mar 21, 2016, 03.50 pm
    Mar 21, 2016, 03.50 pm
    Thanks, thought as much. It is on the optimiser (battery tender) anyway, so not worried about it going flat.
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    Re: Use of audio wihout the engine running
    Reply #3 on: Mar 21, 2016, 05.42 pm
    Mar 21, 2016, 05.42 pm
    *Originally Posted by Nick999 [+]
    Hi all,
    I know I have seen in here somewhere a thread about using the audio system in the garage while working on other projects
    The problem I have is that while the ignition is switched on to use the audio system, the other systems on the bike are live. (Coils etc) as it is expecting the starter to be pushed any moment.
    Also, unless the engine kill switch is pressed, the alarm wants to activate every 45 seconds.
    Is there an easier way to do this?
    Thanks
    Nick
    I don't know about the alarm, but if the kill switch works to silence it, there's no issue. 

    The ignition coils are NOT activated until the crank turns in all modern electronic ignition systems ( All it takes is the starter motor to activate the coils). The entire ignition system is OFF until the crank moves.

    So it doesn't hurt to leave the ignition on without the engine running (in any modern vehicle, such as the TTSE).  The only issue is the front center lamp between the headlights  is on, which draws some extra current, but not all that much. With a well charged battery to start with, you should be able to use the radio for at least an hour with no issues with the ignition on.  I have done such and mentioned it here, so I assume it was my message you saw. I listened to the TTSE's XM radio the entire time it took me to install my Touratech GPS lock.

    We could even listen to the radio even  longer on battery power if we could turn off that center light. Or if we can get a LED replacement for it.

    And I did NOT have my battery tender connected when I listened to the radio for around an hour. And I used the windshield motor several times too. Bike started up fine when I was done.

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    Re: Use of audio wihout the engine running
    Reply #4 on: Mar 21, 2016, 07.22 pm
    Mar 21, 2016, 07.22 pm
    The workshop manual does state not to leave the ignition turned on without the engine running, damage may occur.
    I assumed that they were referring to the ignition coils burning out???

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    Re: Use of audio wihout the engine running
    Reply #5 on: Mar 21, 2016, 09.54 pm
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    *Originally Posted by earthman [+]
    The workshop manual does state not to leave the ignition turned on without the engine running, damage may occur.
    I assumed that they were referring to the ignition coils burning out???
    I don't buy it.  I don't believe everything I read in the service manual. 

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    Re: Use of audio wihout the engine running
    Reply #6 on: Mar 21, 2016, 10.23 pm
    Mar 21, 2016, 10.23 pm
    Well, something is making a TON of noise right on top of the engine with the ignition turned on, without the engine running. I thought it was the fuel pump, but I have the gas tank sitting on the floor in my garage, so it's not that. The only thing left that I can think of that would make that kind of noise is the coils. A bunch of relays also click on, and your GPS is running if it's connected.
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    Re: Use of audio wihout the engine running
    Reply #7 on: Mar 22, 2016, 01.23 am
    Mar 22, 2016, 01.23 am
    *Originally Posted by AZBob [+]
    Well, something is making a TON of noise right on top of the engine with the ignition turned on, without the engine running. I thought it was the fuel pump, but I have the gas tank sitting on the floor in my garage, so it's not that. The only thing left that I can think of that would make that kind of noise is the coils. A bunch of relays also click on, and your GPS is running if it's connected.
    Coils don't make noise, so it's not that.

    The GPS DC power is an output  from the audio module, but the GPS can be shut off anyway.

    If you find out what is making the noise, please let me know. Some relays I would expect energized  for various functions (such as the fuel pump relay). But the FP  should shut off at the normal pressure.

    I wonder why there is no accessory position on the TTSE. But IMO, it's not really all that needed. But I am surprised the manual says don't  keep the ignition on with engine not runingt after they refuse to give an accessory  position,

    Anyway, I have listened to the radio many times with the ignition on without the engine running.  But I can't anymore because of a modification I made to shut off the audio menu drain when the key is out. Since it defaults to exactly what I want when the engine is started, I decided to leave it that way instead of updating the audio software. After all, I do have other radios including a XM radio that I move around.

    I don't recall the noises other than what I thought was the fuel pump, just like you. Now I am curious what is left on. Whatever it is, I serious doubt it will be harmed. Like I said, I have listened to my radio many times in the past without the engine running. And for an hour at times.

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