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Looking for a detailed description of TTSE linked brakes
« on: May 02, 2016, 07:53:46 pm »
Hi All,

I have had no success with the 'search' function.

On my Kawasaki Voyager1700 the linked brakes did not function if the brakes were applied below 20 kph. This made slow speed control while using the rear brake just like an un-linked brake system.

I have been through the owners manual and find the description of the linked system a wee bit lacking. Does someone have a schematic or a better explanation than contained in the owners manual?

Thanks in advance,

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Re: Looking for a detailed description of TTSE linked brakes
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2016, 08:06:57 am »
Description from the Service Manual :

This motorcycle is equipped with the Triumph Linked Brakes System,
combined with the Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS).

In this system the rear brake is linked to the two lower pistons in the front right hand brake caliper.

Operating the rear brake pedal will partially operate the front brake,
allowing for balanced braking under all riding conditions.

Operating the front brakes via the front brake lever will NOT operate the rear brakes.

The rear brake circuit contains a proportional control valve (located under the left hand control plate)
which limits the pressure to the rear brake once weight transfer to the front wheel begins.

The linked front brake circuit contains a pressure delay valve
which delays the application of the front brake during initial application.

Hope that helps !  :028:

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« Last Edit: April 27, 2020, 09:23:51 am by Coconut »

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Re: Looking for a detailed description of TTSE linked brakes
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2016, 12:35:34 pm »
GREAT info
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Re: Looking for a detailed description of TTSE linked brakes
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2016, 07:07:55 pm »
Thanks Coconut!

Interesting that the system reduces application of the rear brake when weight transfer has started and delays application of front brake during the initial application.

Do you know at what point the rear and front brakes become linked? For example, is the link in effect from the moment you depress the rear brake pedal or is there a progressive feed-in, or a hard speed below which the brakes are not linked and above which they are linked?

Do you know where I could get a system diagram?

best regards,

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Re: Looking for a detailed description of TTSE linked brakes
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2016, 07:54:06 pm »
Hi again,

Do you know at what point the rear and front brakes become linked?
For example, is the link in effect from the moment you depress the rear brake pedal
or is there a progressive feed-in, or a hard speed below which the brakes are not linked
and above which they are linked?
Sorry, I don't know that, you could try asking your Dealer,
or you could contact Triumph directly, ( after.sales@triumph.co.uk ),
although they may refer you back to your Dealer !

If it helps, according to the Service Manual, the actual "linking"
of the front and rear brakes, takes place within the ABS Modulator.


Do you know where I could get a system diagram?
Yes - See below for details of the Brake Circuits. 

Also have a look here for an exploded parts drawing :
World of Triumph.com - Trophy SE - ABS System

The Proportional Control and Pressure Delay valves mentioned in my original reply
are shown and itemised as numbers 17 and 19 respectively.

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« Last Edit: April 27, 2020, 09:22:42 am by Coconut »

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Re: Looking for a detailed description of TTSE linked brakes
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2016, 08:52:17 pm »
I've been asked a few times over the years, "does this bike (insert make & model) have linked brakes" just before an MOT, best remember that the Trophy does then. :002:

Any MOT inspectors here? What's the difference then, does it affect the readings on the rolling road brake test then??

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Re: Looking for a detailed description of TTSE linked brakes
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2016, 09:20:21 pm »
The UK Motorcycle MOT Testers Manual is available "on-line" for reference  :028:


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Re: Looking for a detailed description of TTSE linked brakes
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2016, 09:44:36 pm »
*Originally Posted by Coconut [+]
The UK Motorcycle MOT Testers Manual is available "on-line" for reference  :028:



Without me having to search for it/possibly look through countless pages, do you know the short answer? :002: