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    2013 Trophy SE - WONT START AFTER BATTERY FLATTENED THEN CHARGED.
    on: Mar 28, 2017, 08.06 am
    Mar 28, 2017, 08.06 am
    I came back from a ride, got distracted and forgot to turn ignition off. Flat as a tack this morning.  No lights no nuffin.  Plugged in my trickle charger and now (some 8 hours later) all lights work, suspension adjusts etc, but no joy with the starter. One loud click like a relay trip (loud) then nothing.

    Is there a reset required on the electronics after a power out or similar?

    2013 trophy 19000 km, never had power issues or failed to start before.

    This is making me unhappy, all advice appreciated.

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    Re: 2013 Trophy SE - WONT START AFTER BATTERY FLATTENED THEN CHARGED.
    Reply #1 on: Mar 28, 2017, 09.34 am
    Mar 28, 2017, 09.34 am
    I would hazard a guess that the Battery is the problem.

    It is likely that the Battery, after being fully discharged,
    doesn't have enough power to operate the Starter circuit,
    and only has enough to to put the lights etc on  ( which use a lot less power ).

    The "Click" you can hear will be the Starter Solenoid trying to engage,
    so at least you know the wiring is good to there.

    Batteries don't like being fully discharged, and may never recover.

    Often a more powerful charger than the Trickle Charger you describe,
    would be needed to get the Battery back up and running,
    and even then you may still need to get a new Battery.

    Cheers  :821:

    Last Edit: Jul 02, 2020, 07.26 pm by Coconut

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    Re: 2013 Trophy SE - WONT START AFTER BATTERY FLATTENED THEN CHARGED.
    Reply #2 on: Mar 28, 2017, 12.42 pm
    Mar 28, 2017, 12.42 pm
    The good news is that after another 6 hours it started fine, bad news is that the engine (orange) light is on and stays on after a restart or two and the screen does not go up and down. Took it for a 15 minute ride, all seems well except for those two.

    At least if it doesn't go away I can take it to the dealer.  Will sleep now (Australia) then revisit in the morning.

    Thanks for your advice Coconut, a problem shared is a problem shared.

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    Re: 2013 Trophy SE - WONT START AFTER BATTERY FLATTENED THEN CHARGED.
    Reply #3 on: Mar 28, 2017, 02.58 pm
    Mar 28, 2017, 02.58 pm
    Speaking from experience, the orange check engine light will stay on for a few rides since it detected a low voltage fault in the system relating to your dead battery.  If your battery is still good, it will go away after a few more start-up cycles but I'm with coconut, I would look into a new one or at least getting it fully checked to make sure it won't leave you stranded again.

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    Re: 2013 Trophy SE - WONT START AFTER BATTERY FLATTENED THEN CHARGED.
    Reply #4 on: Mar 28, 2017, 03.43 pm
    Mar 28, 2017, 03.43 pm
    There's some information I put together about "DTC's"
    ( Diagnostic Trouble Codes ) here :
    Servicing Data, Reference Info & DTC ( Fault ) Codes
    which are usually stored whenever a Fault is detected
    that illuminates the MIL ( Malfunction Indicator Lamp ).

    There are instructions on how to display the DTC's
    on the Instrument Panel Display, and a downloadable Word document
    listing all of the Codes, their meanings  and other useful information such as
    when the MIL will turn off, and when the DTC's are deleted from Memory.

    The windscreen may sort itself out once the battery is FULLY charged.

    Cheers,

    Last Edit: Jul 02, 2020, 07.27 pm by Coconut

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    Re: 2013 Trophy SE - WONT START AFTER BATTERY FLATTENED THEN CHARGED.
    Reply #5 on: Mar 28, 2017, 04.12 pm
    Mar 28, 2017, 04.12 pm
    Regardless of what other problems you might have, you should load test your battery, especially after draining it down flat.  Even if it comes back to voltage and can hold a charge, it may be weak and present an excess load that'll stress the charging system of your bike.  We are lucky that the Trophy has an automotive style alternator that is much more robust than the typical stator coil and rectifier/regulator on bikes, but it is still good practice to test your battery periodically.  Most folks wait until the battery is hopelessly dead before taking it out of commission.

    You can buy a fancy battery analyzer, but a cheap voltmeter and a $20 100A battery load tester will tell you a lot about the condition of your battery.
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    Re: 2013 Trophy SE - WONT START AFTER BATTERY FLATTENED THEN CHARGED.
    Reply #6 on: Mar 28, 2017, 04.14 pm
    Mar 28, 2017, 04.14 pm
    Not just start cycles it has to warm up (I think fan on) then cool down 3 times before a 'no fault' goes away.  But as coconut says is worth checking the code to see what it is.

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    Re: 2013 Trophy SE - WONT START AFTER BATTERY FLATTENED THEN CHARGED.
    Reply #7 on: Mar 28, 2017, 05.00 pm
    Mar 28, 2017, 05.00 pm
    When a lead-acid battery goes completely flat, the lead plates sulfate and it becomes nearly impossible to recharge to full capacity. It may work for a few starts or so, but you're dangerously close to being stranded somewhere with that battery now. I would get a new one.
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