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  • Offline Travelling2bob   au

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    Bike won't Start
    on: Jul 25, 2018, 12.55 pm
    Jul 25, 2018, 12.55 pm
    After a trouble free ride from Canberra ACT to Sale VIC the other week stored my Trophy in a secure lock up. A week later returned and attempted to start up. Electrics good, although noted no fuel level indication on fuel gauge  (when last stopped just under 1/2 full), hit the starter (which turns over) and engine does not fire up :233: :233: :233: :233: :233:.

    No apparent fuel leak or spill....Also my tools are in Canberra and I won't be back that way until end of August 18  :110: :110: :110: :110:.

    Thoughts????
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    Re: Bike won't Start
    Reply #1 on: Jul 25, 2018, 01.12 pm
    Jul 25, 2018, 01.12 pm
    The easiest thing to do is put fuel in it and see if it starts.
    When you turn on the key, do you hear the fuel pump wind up? The fuel pump may be more audible with the seat removed.

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    Re: Bike won't Start
    Reply #2 on: Jul 25, 2018, 04.18 pm
    Jul 25, 2018, 04.18 pm
    Like nert says - check the obvious first and MAKE SURE there is fuel in the Tank.

    I've also known of someone trying to Start their Trophy using a Blank Key they had cut,
    for use on the Luggage and Fuel locks without turning off the Ignition,
    and of course the Blank Key switches the Ignition ON,
    but has no Transponder Chip in it to turn off the Immobiliser !  :138:

    Reasons for the fuel gauge not displaying the correct level are AFTER filling up,
    the bike needs to be ridden for up to 5 minutes before the new level is registered.
    ( Owners handbook Page 34 ).

    Similarly if the Battery has been disconnected, when it is re-connected the fuel gauge
    can show empty until it updates after those few minutes of riding.

    If there is definitely fuel in the tank, check to see if there are any DTC's
    ( Diagnostic Trouble Codes ) stored, which you can display on the Instrument panel
    by following the instructions in this topic :

    Servicing Data, Reference Info. & DTC ( Fault ) Codes -

    Scroll down to Reply #8  - at the end of which is also a downloadable Word document
    listing all the Codes and their meanings :028:

    Other things to check are :

    Rear Fuse Box ( Behind Left side panel ) -
    Fuse No.2 ( 15A ) - Engine Management
    Fuse No.4 ( 10A ) - Fuel Pump
    Fuse No.5 ( 15A ) - Ignition, Instruments

    Relays :
    Same side as above Fuse boxes :
    Fuel Pump Relay - Bank of 4 relays nearest front of Trophy, Left most Relay closest to Frame.

    Cheers  :821:






    Last Edit: Feb 27, 2020, 07.26 pm by Coconut

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    Re: Bike won't Start
    Reply #3 on: Jul 26, 2018, 10.13 am
    Jul 26, 2018, 10.13 am
    *Originally Posted by Coconut [+]
    Like nert says - check the obvious first and MAKE SURE there is fuel in the Tank.

    I've also known of someone trying to Start their Trophy using a Blank Key they had cut,
    for use on the Luggage and Fuel locks without turning off the Ignition, and of course the Blank Key
    switches the Ignition ON, but has no Transponder Chip in it to turn off the Immobiliser !  :138:

    Reasons for the fuel gauge not displaying the correct level are AFTER filling up,
    the bike needs to be ridden for up to 5 minutes before the new level is registered.
    ( Owners handbook Page 34 ).

    Similarly if the Battery has been disconnected, when it is re-connected the fuel gauge
    can show empty until it updates after those few minutes of riding.

    If there is definitely fuel in the tank, check to see if there are any DTC's
    ( Diagnostic Trouble Codes ) stored, which you can display on the Instrument panel
    by following the instructions in this topic :

    Servicing Data, Reference Info. & DTC ( Fault ) Codes -

    Scroll down to Reply #8  - at the end of which is also a downloadable Word document
    listing all the Codes and their meanings :028:

    Other things to check are :

    Rear Fuse Box ( Behind Left side panel ) -
    Fuse No.2 ( 15A ) - Engine Management
    Fuse No.4 ( 10A ) - Fuel Pump
    Fuse No.5 ( 15A ) - Ignition, Instruments

    Relays :
    Same side as above Fuse boxes :
    Fuel Pump Relay - Bank of 4 relays nearest front of Trophy, Left most Relay closest to Frame.

    Cheers  :821:



    G'day Coconut,

    Thank you for the detailed response.

    I confirm that the preamble regarding fuel is acknowledged and all within spec's.

    Regarding checking fault codes I'll conduct first thing on Saturday (no lights in the lock-up and I work past dusk).

    Hopefully, there is a fault code that provides the first 'bread crumb' to follow.

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    Re: Bike won't Start
    Reply #4 on: Jul 28, 2018, 11.58 am
    Jul 28, 2018, 11.58 am
    Well no fault code, fuel in tank, fuzes intact, starter turns the engine over but won't start. Btw fuel injection seems to prime.

    Bike is now in the local motorcycle workshop 😳
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    Re: Bike won't Start
    Reply #5 on: Jul 30, 2018, 11.41 am
    Jul 30, 2018, 11.41 am
    *Originally Posted by Travelling2bob [+]
    Well no fault code, fuel in tank, fuzes intact, starter turns the engine over but won't start. Btw fuel injection seems to prime.

    Bike is now in the local motorcycle workshop 😳

    It appears the problem was bad fuel blocking the fuel filter. Last replaced 3000 km ago. Filter and fuel replaced and picking up the Trophy tomorrow. Hopefully that's all to this event.
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    Re: Bike won't Start
    Reply #6 on: Jul 30, 2018, 01.07 pm
    Jul 30, 2018, 01.07 pm
    Good to hear they have identified the problem and sorted it !  :047:

    Most unusual though .....

    Were you able to figure out
    which Gas Station was the culprit ?


    Last Edit: Feb 27, 2020, 07.26 pm by Coconut

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    Re: Bike won't Start
    Reply #7 on: Jul 30, 2018, 09.30 pm
    Jul 30, 2018, 09.30 pm
    *Originally Posted by Coconut [+]
    Good to hear they have identified the problem and sorted it !  :047:

    Most unusual though .....

    Were you able to figure out
    which Gas Station was the culprit ?



    Thanks Coconut and hopefully that's it.

    The last petrol/fuel station as a Caltex at Bombala NSW (95 RON ULP). Stopped three time the remainder of the trip with no hint of trouble.
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