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  • Offline Quentin Hogan   us

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    70,000 miles, small problems with
    on: Jul 25, 2018, 11.42 pm
    Jul 25, 2018, 11.42 pm
    Approaching the 70k mile point the bike has starting have several quirks and I have come up of with several question about the trip meter functions.
    1. The bike refuses to start on the first push of the starter button but will usually start on the second push, this happens when bike is cold and most hot starts? When it was new (45k below) it would start instantaneously.

    2. The bike has develop an erratic idle. When I checked with the ex triumph dealer he hook the computer up and the throttle bodies where in synchronization? After start up the bike feels like the throttle bodies are still out sync until about 1500 rpm then it smooths out. It will also then dye at idle during the warm up phase. 
     
    3. The fuel level sensor doesn't seem be in sync with the trip computer. I replaced it with a new one and it keeps throwing a P0460 code. I have cleared it several times and it keeps coming back? Is there a way to sync this to the trip computer? I didn't see anything the service box.

    4. When fueling up the amount of fuel going in does not match up with trip computer amount used by 4 to 5 tenths of gallon. How accurate is the flow recording device on the trip meter. How does the trip meter calculate the remaining miles on a tank,  does it use fuel used, or tank level gauge or the total average mpg?

    5. Air filter is hard to seal and needs extra attention to sealing the middle of the air filter to box, any body have a better idea than heavy grease?

    6. Windshield will not move up with any wind resistance against it.

    Any ideas would be much appreciated!

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    Re: 70,000 miles, small problems with
    Reply #1 on: Jul 26, 2018, 02.55 am
    Jul 26, 2018, 02.55 am
    I have a 2013 with 38,000.   The fuel used and the amount I have put in the bike have never matched. (The few times I have checked it.)    It's really not important.

    For your idle and starting issues I think lots of things could be suspect.  Oxygen sensor, clogged injectors, air leak on throttle a throttle body would be things to check.
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    Re: 70,000 miles, small problems with
    Reply #2 on: Jul 26, 2018, 07.29 am
    Jul 26, 2018, 07.29 am
    Hi Quentin Hogan,

    1.  You're not alone with this - I've heard several of Owners report this issue,
    and it happens on mine occasionally too ( which is just 1 year old with 700 miles ).
    As the engine usually starts on the second attempt, it's not a problem for me,
    and I just put it down to "one of those things", without really knowing why it happens !


    2.  As atrophy mentions I would check the seal on the Throttle bodies,
    which can be "awkward" to refit correctly - an Air Leak there could produce these symptoms.

    You could also try carrying out the "Engine Adaption" process to see if this helps :
      Start the engine from cold WITHOUT touching the throttle
      Allow the engine to warm up until the Cooilibg Fans kick in.
      Allow the engine to run for a further 12 minutes
      Switch the Ignition OFF

    3.  DTC Code P0460 is "Fuel Level Circuit Malfunction".
    The Pinpoint tests described in the Service Manual for investigating this fault
    are to check the cable integrity of the two wires from the Fuel Sender.
    One wire is coloured Black with a Yellow stripe, which goes to Pin B22 of the ECU,
    the other is Black and goes to Pin A20 of the ECU.
    Disconnect the Sensor and check that the Black & Yellow wire is not short circuited to Ground.
    Check that integrity of both wires from the Sensor end back to the corresponding Pins of the ECU.

    If the fault persists then it is likely to be a faulty Sensor,
    ( noted that you have already tried replacing this ), or a problem with the ECU.

    4.  Likely to be connected with 3. above.

    5.  This has also been reported as being an issue by other Members.
    See here : Air Cleaner - Triumph Trophy where the solution was
    to use a small amount of Silicone Sealant to make the seal good !

    6.  The windshield incorporates an "Anti-Trap" safety mechanism. 
    This may be operating if there is too much resistance - it's difficult to access,
    but some Members have found that by spraying Silicone based lubricant onto the worm drive helps,
    otherwise check to see that the Screen is secured correctly,
    and  lubricate any pivot points of the Arms that you can access.

    Cheers  :821:


    Last Edit: Feb 27, 2020, 07.34 pm by Coconut

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    Re: 70,000 miles, small problems with
    Reply #3 on: Jul 26, 2018, 07.35 am
    Jul 26, 2018, 07.35 am
    Really sorry to hear of all the problems you are having, the windscreen one sounds like the motor is just worn out or maybe the 'anti finger trap' is kicking in?

    Have you checked all the pivot points behind the screen? If you don't keep them lubricated, they can cause the screen to play up.

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    Re: 70,000 miles, small problems with
    Reply #4 on: Jul 27, 2018, 05.52 pm
    Jul 27, 2018, 05.52 pm
    Thank you for suggestion, I will continue to investigate the problems.

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    Re: 70,000 miles, small problems with
    Reply #5 on: Jul 28, 2018, 03.36 pm
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    Just recently I had a lot of similar issues resolved with a new wiring sub harness.  Apparently, the 40amp main fuse, that sits on top of the battery was shorting out and it finally melted.  I think this bike is susceptible to electrical issues.

    At one stage I thought it was a loose earth connection but it was the 40amp holder not making a solid connection to the fuse.

    Hope you find and resolve the fault soon.

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    Re: 70,000 miles, small problems with
    Reply #6 on: Jul 28, 2018, 04.48 pm
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    *Originally Posted by GarminDave [+]
    Just recently I had a lot of similar issues resolved with a new wiring sub harness.  Apparently, the 40amp main fuse, that sits on top of the battery was shorting out and it finally melted.  I think this bike is susceptible to electrical issues.

    At one stage I thought it was a loose earth connection but it was the 40amp holder not making a solid connection to the fuse.

    Hope you find and resolve the fault soon.

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    Any modern day vehicle with this amount of electrical stuff could be prone to issues I'd say, it's just the current way most vehicles are made.

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    Re: 70,000 miles, small problems with
    Reply #7 on: Aug 03, 2018, 10.58 pm
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    Found the problem after doing a compression check of all of the cylinders. Low compression, 60, 130, 50. Burnt valves in all three cylinders.  :172: Now the repairs began.