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    Triumph think the Touring Market is dead - BMW DON'T !
    on: Sep 18, 2018, 11.39 am
    Sep 18, 2018, 11.39 am
    Triumph discontinued the Trophy as they think the Market is not there for Sports Tourers
    and are concentrating their efforts on other Markets such as Adventure, Classic, Street ....

    BMW seem to disagree and have launched their new BMW R 1250 RT  :164:








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    Re: Triumph think the Touring Market is dead - BMW DON'T !
    Reply #1 on: Sep 18, 2018, 01.08 pm
    Sep 18, 2018, 01.08 pm
    The horsepower and torque went up to a respectable level (136,143), then you add 3 yrs unlimited mileage  warranty... that's a package to consider.

    At least until Triumph next offering!

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    Re: Triumph think the Touring Market is dead - BMW DON'T !
    Reply #2 on: Sep 18, 2018, 04.16 pm
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    But remember Coconut, BMW is much larger than Triumph, and can absorb some financial losses (better than Triumph can) if it benefits the brand as a whole.     The BMW R-RT has been the de facto police motorcycle for many years, and I doubt BMW is ready to abandon that market, and the worldwide exposure it brings.    BMW has merely updated their large boxer engine, and inserted into their GS, GSA, and RT models.     

    Even at BMW, their ADV bike (in total sales volume) is their flagship model, just as the Tiger is currently Triumph's flagship.   
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    Re: Triumph think the Touring Market is dead - BMW DON'T !
    Reply #3 on: Sep 18, 2018, 07.12 pm
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    And supposedly BMW introduced the K1600B to lure women riders to the big K.  Most on the K1600 forum poo-pooed that approach and excoriated BMW for even building the thing.  Most early adopters were ex Harley riders that liked the style and were looking for something more in technology than H-D had to offer.  But, and a big but, lately more women K1600B riders have been showing upon the forum, and one member posted that while at a dealer, his wife who is normally a passenger or rides her own smaller BMW, sat on a "B" model and declared that she liked it and wanted it because of all it offered with a lower seat height than a "normal" K1600.  If that was indeed BMW's focus it looks like they are at least proving the logic in it while still selling it to the cruiser guys as well.  Statistics show that MC sales are on the decline overall, so who knows, maybe trying to create a new market is the smart approach.
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    Re: Triumph think the Touring Market is dead - BMW DON'T !
    Reply #4 on: Sep 19, 2018, 02.03 am
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    Gosh. That's a nice looking bike.  Of course, I prefer the Sport Touring look of the RT and our Trophy over Harley, Indian, and Gold Wing, etc.  As far as this BMW R1215RT, I personally can't hang with the boxer jugs hanging out there, especially compared to our streamlined triples. I'll hold on to my Trophy until it no longer serves me as well as it does.  That will take a few years, I am certain. 

    Hey Triumph! Get back in the game!!!  :440:

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    Re: Triumph think the Touring Market is dead - BMW DON'T !
    Reply #5 on: Sep 19, 2018, 04.22 am
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    *Originally Posted by PhilInAthens [+]
    As far as this BMW R1215RT, I personally can't hang with the boxer jugs hanging out there, especially compared to our streamlined triples.



    I thought the same until I bought a R1200 GS this year.  3500 miles later and those jugs, covered by crashbars, are a great place to kick back and put your feet up :002:  it’s more comfortable than the highway pegs on my TTSE.  I am digging the new RT, but alas the trade in value of my 15 TTSE with 13k miles probably would make it cost prohibitive for me :003:

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    Re: Triumph think the Touring Market is dead - BMW DON'T !
    Reply #6 on: Sep 19, 2018, 12.19 pm
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    Still has not shown up on the USA site.
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    Re: Triumph think the Touring Market is dead - BMW DON'T !
    Reply #7 on: Sep 19, 2018, 12.21 pm
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    A concern is the maintenance costs.  Everything it seems that BMW does is 4x the price that it should be.  I understand that is why a lot of K16 owners are downgrading due to the high maintenance costs.
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