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  • Offline redcap0006   ie

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    No clutch operation
    on: Aug 25, 2019, 03.20 pm
    Aug 25, 2019, 03.20 pm
    Went away for the weekend with the trusted TTSE 2013
    Before I went my checks showed both brake and clutch fluid present
    Still have brake fluid but clutch reservoir empty and a dead clutch lever, completed the journey carefully changing gears by judging revs.
    Do I need a Clutch Slave Cylinder Replacement Seal Kit to remedy my No clutch issue
    No DTCs present at this time
    No fluids on ground where I was parked last night
    Would it be a good or a bad idea to top up clutch fluid in the hope of making it to the garage with a working clutch. Any thoughts???
     
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    Re: No clutch operation
    Reply #1 on: Aug 25, 2019, 04.33 pm
    Aug 25, 2019, 04.33 pm
    That's what I would do.
    Make sure you bleed the clutch.   Check out this for guidance:  https://www.triumph-trophy.com/index.php?topic=4683.0

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    Re: No clutch operation
    Reply #2 on: Aug 25, 2019, 04.38 pm
    Aug 25, 2019, 04.38 pm
    Keep us posted on what the ultimate cause & remedy are.
    Topping up fluid & bleeding the clutch may get you to the shop or, it may just show you where the problem lies.
    Either way, a good move...
    A good man once told me, "Don't sell your bike. It's your soul."....

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    Re: No clutch operation
    Reply #3 on: Aug 25, 2019, 04.42 pm
    Aug 25, 2019, 04.42 pm
    *Originally Posted by redcap0006 [+]
    Went away for the weekend with the trusted TTSE 2013
    Before I went my checks showed both brake and clutch fluid present
    Still have brake fluid but clutch reservoir empty and a dead clutch lever, completed the journey carefully changing gears by judging revs.
    Do I need a Clutch Slave Cylinder Replacement Seal Kit to remedy my No clutch issue
    No DTCs present at this time
    No fluids on ground where I was parked last night
    Would it be a good or a bad idea to top up clutch fluid in the hope of making it to the garage with a working clutch. Any thoughts???
     
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    Hey, redcap, most likely the clutch fluid dumped into the crankcase.  So, probably a bad idea to top up the clutch fluid - it'll probably just follow the rest into the crankcase.  A few of us of had this issue.  My dealer, at the time, thoroughly flushed the engine oil and replaced the filter.  I believe he used a seal kit to resolve the issue.  I haven't had any problems with it since.

    I had no initial warning, it just happened - pulled in the clutch coming to a stop and...  nothing!  I was only a few hundred yards from home so I rode it in.  The dealer came and picked it up on a flatbed.  All costs were covered under an extended warranty.

    If you use some variant of "clutch leak" or "clutch failure" in the search window, you'll probably get quite a few hits.

    The following link is an early write-up by John384, which probably explains things better.  But again, there are quite a few entries on this subject.

    https://www.triumph-trophy.com/index.php/topic,4559.msg58285.html#msg58285
    Last Edit: Aug 25, 2019, 04.52 pm by brenchley
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    Re: No clutch operation
    Reply #4 on: Aug 26, 2019, 12.06 am
    Aug 26, 2019, 12.06 am
    Had the same issue about 10 months ago. Broken seal & the other bad news was the ball bearing end of the slave cylinder was flattened so a new seal kit would be ruined had I just replaced it.  Take out the clutch slave first and examine it. if it is flattened replace with a new cylinder or get a good used one on ebay like I did for 30 bucks!  I keep a spare with me and a seal kit now. I'm learning.

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    Re: No clutch operation
    Reply #5 on: Aug 26, 2019, 09.06 am
    Aug 26, 2019, 09.06 am
    I'd say that the majority of the bikes that I've had had a cable operated clutch, wish that the Trophy did too for this reason.

    How doable is fitting a new seal at the side of the road? Apart from carrying the seal and fluid, any special size tools needed??

    I bet you need more than what's in the standard tool kit pouch? Lol

    I have added certain tools to deal with a broken gear lever pivot bolt.

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    Re: No clutch operation
    Reply #6 on: Aug 26, 2019, 10.37 am
    Aug 26, 2019, 10.37 am
    Tools needed :

    Clutch Cover bolts - 5 x Hex Head - 8mm Socket.

    Clutch Slave Cylinder securing bolts - 3 x Hex Head - 8mm Socket.

    Hydraulic Hose securing bolt ( Not mentioned in Service Manual ) - 1 x Hex Head - 8mm Socket.

    Bleed Screw - 10mm Open ended spanner.

    Hydraulic Hose to Slave Cylinder Banjo bolt - 14mm Open ended spanner.

    There is also a Gasket behind the Slave Cylinder ( Part Number T1171711 ),
    ( which is also not mentioned in the Sevice Manual :027: ),
    that may need replacing after being disturbed.

    Similarly, if the Hose to Slave Cylinder unon is disturbed,
    it is recommended to fiit new sealing washers ( 2 x T3550229 ).

    A complete Slave Cylinder assembly ( T1177777 ) is no longer available,
    according to the World of Triumph parts list.

    A Service Kit comprising Spring, Seal, Bleed Screw, Bleed Screw dust cover,
    and 2 x Banjo sealing washers is available in the UK from "Sprint Manufacturing"

    18/09/21 Edited to add - An updated Clutch Slave cylinder, superseding T1177777
    is now available, with a new Part Number of T1177888.



    Last Edit: Sep 18, 2021, 08.51 am by Coconut

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    Re: No clutch operation
    Reply #7 on: Aug 26, 2019, 03.29 pm
    Aug 26, 2019, 03.29 pm
    Great, I have all those tools in my kit already, will order a service kit via that link. :062:

     



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