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Main Trophy Boards => Maintenance, Servicing, and Mechanical issues => Topic started by: H2nra on April 19, 2020, 09:03:19 pm

Title: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: H2nra on April 19, 2020, 09:03:19 pm
I unfortunately have needed to replace my rear shock twice now. First one at 45k and funnily enough the second at 90k. I contacted several specialist shock repair outfits all of which told me the electric trophy shocks can't be repaired. Well for those who end up in a similar situation I can fully recommend FIREFOX RACING LTD from Keighley. Great job done and despite mine needing replacement piston rod due to corrosion still well less than half new price including dhl collection/delivery. Find them on google. Brilliant service.     
Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: trophied on April 19, 2020, 09:38:50 pm
Great find for those in need or for future reference. Thanks for posting it. :028:
Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: thetopdog on April 19, 2020, 09:47:05 pm
I used Firefox for one of my Bmwr1200rt and they were excellent, plus 1/3rd of the replacement price.
Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: Coconut on April 20, 2020, 09:42:00 am
Great information H2nra - thanks for sharing !  :028:

Just to clarify - they were able to overhaul a Trophy SE electrically adjustable
Rear Suspension Unit, and return it to fully working order  ?

Cheers  :821:

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Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: ianmason on April 20, 2020, 02:47:41 pm
I have just had to replace mine after only 26000 miles. I phoned everyone and was told they cant be done and a whole new unit is needed. They are not cheap
Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: earthman on April 20, 2020, 07:40:45 pm
Sounds great, how much do they charge to work on these electronic type shocks?
Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: thetopdog on April 20, 2020, 08:00:31 pm
My BMWR1200RT was £135 to repair and £410 to replace from BMW. It took 2 weeks but we'll worth it.
Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: earthman on April 20, 2020, 10:04:14 pm
Thanks, that sounds like a reasonable price.
Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: ianmason on April 21, 2020, 08:41:40 am
£550 for the whole lot is really cheap. It is double that from a Triumph Dealer plus labour to fit it. I cried!!!
Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: Coconut on April 21, 2020, 09:07:30 am
ianmason :

£550 ? - I'm confused now ( easily done !  :087: )

Is that what you paid Triumph or what the O.P. ( H2nra ) paid ? - Still waiting for a reply
from him to confirm if this was a repair to an electrically adjustable Trophy Rear Suspension Unit
and whether the electrical Damping adjustment function it was fully operational after the repair ?  :187:

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Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: digital on April 21, 2020, 06:23:43 pm
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I see that this damper is not the original one of the TTSE.
In addition, I have been struck by the protection it carries, it is a wool type of what our grandmothers made jerseys.
Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: ianmason on April 21, 2020, 06:33:23 pm
£1100 - that's what I paid A1 moto in York ( local dealer) to have the whole rear suspension unit replaced
Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: LarryJa on April 22, 2020, 12:58:55 am
Over here, in the USA, EPM Performance Imports(732 786-9777) will rebuild the rear esa shock on our SE's.
I know that they installed a higher rate Hyperpro spring on the rear of my bike, for the previous owner.
While I have not had any contact with me concerning the Trophy SE, I had purchased Hyperpro springs from them for my K1200LT.
They do list lowering links, also, for the SE.
So, there is a very reputable service available for suspension upgrade parts & services here in the US.
Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: H2nra on April 22, 2020, 04:12:58 pm
Just to clarify as requested. Mine is a 2013 SE with the electric rear shock it lost all damping effort. I was told by several companies that the shock could not be rebuilt. Firefox Racing have rebuilt it and it has fitted back adjusting pre load etc off the load menu ie. sport, normal, comfort. luggage, pillion etc etc as it should. Due to current lockdown i'm unable to test ride but i can already tell from the ride height and feel when sat on it that it's back to what it should be. I'm totally confident as Firefox fully tested it before sending it back out.     
Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: H2nra on April 22, 2020, 04:23:41 pm
Just to add the cost would have been £250 but as I needed a new piston to was £350 but still less than half the cost of a new one...
Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: Coconut on April 22, 2020, 05:04:30 pm
Marvellous ! - Thanks for the update !  :028:

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Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: Canes1 on April 22, 2020, 11:46:37 pm
Is it normal for the rear shock to go ? Also how do you know it needs replacing? Riding it, warning light, seat height, etc?
Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: H2nra on April 23, 2020, 12:08:36 pm
I've got 90K on mine now and have had to replace the rear shock twice. The first time it was leaking oil from the seal and this was a week before a planned foreign tour so i had it replaced. The second time it simply lost all rear damping, this I think was gradual rather than a sudden failure but eventually like riding a po go stick jarring my back on some bumps. I also noticed that on startup the TSS calibration was occurring very frequently not just on the 50th time on or whatever the standard re calibration setting is.

I ride all weathers, all year and the seals failed leading to corrosion etc. This is despite regular cleaning and lubrication of the suspension joints. The only sure way to prevent it would be to stop riding it i guess..         
Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: 1675 on April 23, 2020, 05:37:55 pm
I have a standard Trophy and mine lost all it's oil at around 75k. I knew it had gone as it was like riding a pogo stick the 1200 miles home. I took it to a local suspension specialist who was recommended but he couldn't get a damper rod. I was going to refurb the damper rod myself, or make  anew one but it had some aluminium (correct spelling!) valves in which weren't meant to come out, so I had to buy a new damper at £500.
Useful to know this one can be rebuilt if need be.
Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: Pea Fritter on June 21, 2020, 10:22:37 pm
My rear shock failed on Friday (19/06/2020 2013 SE 33163 miles) while riding with the wife as pillion. The bike turned into a carousel horse ride or as others have said a pogo stick.

We managed to get home, a pool of oil on the garage floor as well as a very loose rear end, I can easily lift the rear wheel up by hand sure evidence the damping has gone !

Interesting that the TSE suspension adjusts ok and the orange warning light goes out, odd when you think the suspension has failed.

I will be contacting Firefox Racing in the morning.

Second thing I need to do is dismantle and remove the rear shock. Any tips or advice would be gratefully received. 

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Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: Coconut on June 21, 2020, 11:37:24 pm
Sorry to hear of this. 

Not a job I have had to tackle ( yet ! ),
but according to the Service Manual, it isn't too difficult a job.

Bike on the Centre stand, disconnect the Battery,
and place a block to support the Rear Brake disc.

Remove the Drag and Drop Links from the lower RSU mounting,
Right Hand Side panel, and Right hand "Control Plate" ( Footrest hanger plate ) are removed.
TES Power Control Module removed after noting the RSU wiring harness routing,
Fir Tree clip removed, TES Power Control Module bracket removed,
TES Motor detached from bracket, then bracket removed,
Upper RSU mounting nut and bolt removed ( new Nut required on refitting ),
Carefully manoeuvre the RSU and motor down through the swinging arm
noting the harness and hydraulic hose routing, and taking care
not to damage the Swinging Arm as it is withdrawn.

Cheers  :821:


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Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: digital on June 22, 2020, 08:16:29 am
Sorry, I had no news of this collapse.

After removing the shock absorber, take a look at the aluminum drive fuze. That it was not damaged.
Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: Coconut on June 22, 2020, 08:21:03 am
That's a good suggestion ......

"Drive Fuze" = Drag Link, at the bottom of the RSU  :028:

While it's all dismantled check all of the Bearings, Sleeves and Seals
in the Drag and Drop Links for signs of corrosion or wear, and repalce as necessary.

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Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: Pea Fritter on June 22, 2020, 09:12:59 am
Thanks Guys,

I was planning to service all the links while this is apart. My previous Trophy had handy grease nipples for that purpose, progress more like regress me thinks.
Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: 1215 on June 22, 2020, 04:58:00 pm
Just rung them as I have been noticing the patch on floor after last couple of trips out.
Very helpfull and are happy to take on the TTSE repair/ refurb.
Usually turn them around in a week and asked for the WHOLE unit to be taken to them and they fully check/ test unit on completion.
Guestimate £250 sometimes a bit more if anything extra needs changing.

Thanks for the timely(for me) input H2nra.

Firefox Racing  01535 606200.

Pity their isn't a refurb'd spare to do exchange.
Anyone have a complete old unit to see if they would use to hold as an exchange unit ... for forum members.
Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: Pea Fritter on June 24, 2020, 11:26:31 am
Ok guys,

Striped mine down yesterday morning following the service manual. Fairly straight forward however I found two things that deviated from the manual.

Firstly I have two electrical connection for the TES one under the Right hand cover as explained in the service manual and one under the lefthand cover, not mentioned.

Secondly I found the the front lower drag link to frame bolt would not extract enough as suggested in the manual to allow the drag link to be removed. Why because it had been inserted from the left hand side (nearside in the UK). Was this factory fitted or has been off before ?

This meant I had to rebuild the drag links and put the rear wheel back on to get the bike onto the side stand in order to revers the bolt and then all came apart a treat.

I must say the condition of the damper leaves a lot to be desired I hope Firefox Racing can salvage it.

New lock nuts are on order, fingers crossed the part will be back fixed and working in a few days
Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: Coconut on June 24, 2020, 12:21:35 pm
I would have thought that you could have just separated the connection
of the rear of the Drag Link and Drop Links where they attach to the bottom
of the RSU, swing the Drop Links out of the way and pull or push the Ground Sleeve
out from the Drag Link and RSU, without disturbing the front Drag Link connection.

At least you now have that forward Bolt inserted from the correct side
to allow for future maintenance, cleaning and greasing of the Bearings
with the Bike on the Centre Stand !

I am aware of the connector you mention - behind the Left Side Panel
just forward of the bank of 4 Relays, but hadn't noticed that it wasn't included
in the Service Manual instructions for removal of the RSU. 

I'll look into that and see about adding to to the List of Service Manual Errors. (https://www.triumph-trophy.com/index.php/topic,2330.0.html) !

Looking forward to the update from the Refurbishers now !

Cheers  :821:

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Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: 1215 on June 24, 2020, 10:33:27 pm
hoping to do my strip down tommorow.     Don't have a manual!
Alan is it straight forwardas your brief desc. earlier in this post?
Rear wheel  in or out? or dependant on bolt direction on drag link? 

Keep your phone on .... or anyone want to come to east yorkshire... for coffee and assist!!!
Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: Coconut on June 25, 2020, 07:48:17 am
Fairly straightforward !

No need for rear wheel removal - but you should support the weight of the rear end.

Service Manual says to support under the base of the rear brake disc
which can be easier to do with the rear wheel removed.

As far as I'm aware you shouldn't need to remove the forward end of the Drag Link
which needs the Bolt to be the correct way round IF doing so on the Centre Stand.

You should be able to remove the bolt from the lower end of the RSU
and withdraw ( push out ) the Ground sleeve, leaving the Drag and Drop Links
attached at their other ends and just swing them out the way.

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Cheers  :821:

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Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: 1675 on June 25, 2020, 10:30:14 am
I can pop down tomorrow if you like to give you a hand. I also have some parts you may need and the tools to install them. Send me a Private Message if I can help.

Gary





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Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: bjtourer on June 25, 2020, 11:29:24 am
My rear shock is currently in being refurbished, or it is at least sitting waiting to be looked at.  A new rear shock has been quoted at $2500AUD.  Has anyone in Australia had a shocker rebuilt?
Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: 1215 on June 25, 2020, 11:26:16 pm
Gary,
Thanks for the offer, managed to do the strip down today and taking for refurb tomorrow, meantime giving a bit of a springclean  until refurbished, may still take up the offer when parts back next week.
Not sure about the seals as they seem very worn and the needle rollers were falling out base of shock. got full compliment, not sure if it is just the seal that holds them in place.  Managed to keep all other bearings in and greased them and cleaned pivot pins.     Must say it was a right faff getting the unit and actuator through hole in swing arm!!!
hopefully Firefox can do their stuff.
Thanks,   Mike
Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: 1675 on June 26, 2020, 09:26:50 am
I too have found the rollers can fall out of the bearing housing, particularly if cleaned prior to regreasing. If you replace the needle rollers, make sure you get "full compliment" type, which have no cage. Seals are available from any bearing stockist for around £2 each, needles are also available cheaper than the dealer prices.
Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: 1215 on June 26, 2020, 06:13:03 pm
Anybody  know what the full compliment of needle rollers for the bottom shock bearing? cleaning the rollers and the count is 33.
shock is now  with the guys at Firefox so cannot test fit.
also does anyone know a part number (not Triumph) for the seals, still intact on shock but if can get will replace.
just doing a bit of  detail cleaning (rare occasion) for my bikes whilst the rear half is more accessible.
Thanks,    Mike.
Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: Coconut on June 26, 2020, 06:55:00 pm
I have no idea how many rollers there should be in each Bearing,
but as they have departed their cages I would be thinking about replacing them all,
together with new Seals and new Ground Sleeves ( which 1675 may be abe to help with  :169: ).

The Bearing descriptions ony give their Internal diameter, External diameter, and Thickness.

In this Topic, on 1st April, I made a list of all the Part Numbers, and the sizes
of the various Bearings & Seals etc, and provided a Link to a Company ( Simply Bearings )
that can provide the Seals at a much better price, and I suspect of a better quality,
than the original type used by Triumph.  I've replaced my Front Wheel seals with seals from them.

I haven't looked to see if they stock the Bearings, but even if not listed
I have found that  they are very good at answering enquiries  :028:

Cheers  :821:

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Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: digital on June 26, 2020, 07:19:39 pm
Now I'll see if I can count the number of the needles.
Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: digital on June 26, 2020, 08:04:22 pm
From the distance that separates us, here I leave you the information to help you.

That yes, the coffee also at a distance.

There are a total of 34 needles, I have checked it many times, according to the pencil marks I have made, you can check it.
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In case it helps you, in this photo, I could see some numbers and the roller made in Germany.
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Set of tools necessary to work in this area.
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With the purchase of the needle roller, it includes the 2 stamps.
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State of the roller that I have in reserve.
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Francis
Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: 1215 on June 27, 2020, 12:44:17 pm
Many thanks.... AGAIN.... to all who respond,

Coconut,  great info on your 1 April post and the simply bearings website is brilliant just trawling to see if I can identify the pattern part.

Digital, also great input but not able to identify from the numbers on the pics,  the simply bearings web site uses the dimensions    internal dia/ external dia/ width.

Best option may be to wait until parts dept is open Monday morning and sweet talk the dealer into a decent bit of discount for the  T2057502.

Must say this forum and its members are  :046: :046: :046: AWESOME :028: :028: :028:

Mike.
Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: digital on June 27, 2020, 05:12:26 pm
Try Googling these references and perhaps it will help you find a ridiculous price compared to the Triumph sale.

The measurements are those that I put here, Ah! important, best of all, you will be able to see in Google that these pieces separately, are used by many Triumph models.

Product no.: T3800199______Needle Bearing FC 20X26X16

Product no.: T3600178______Seal, 20X26X4
Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: 1215 on June 29, 2020, 12:03:25 pm
Digital,   my mistake I cannot count!!!! I do have 34 rollers, I counted twice 33 each time and then my daughter checked.... 34!! :003: :003:

Just spoken to Simply bearings.... very helpful,
 two options on the 20x26x4 seal type R23 with spring or VC without spring,

Can anyone confirm if we are with or without spring type seal?
I cannot check as my shock is in for refurb (with seals still in)

Thanks everyone,    Mike.
Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: digital on June 29, 2020, 12:52:43 pm
Yes Mike, they are spring loaded. Now I will take a photo for you to see.
Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: digital on June 29, 2020, 01:00:27 pm
Mike, Here you can see it:

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Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: digital on June 29, 2020, 01:03:37 pm
That is one of the old ones, the new seals and the needle roller I have already replaced and if one day I have to replace the set, I have everything ready.
Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: 1215 on June 29, 2020, 02:51:50 pm
Brilliant, now to order on web.

Thanks,   Mike.
Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: digital on June 29, 2020, 03:27:30 pm
You will tell us how everything is going.
Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: 1215 on July 04, 2020, 09:58:12 pm
Couple of frustrating afternoons trying to get the top (front) wishbone bolt and spacer sleeve out.

Little varmint was fast but perseverance paid off.

Thanks AS EVER to Coconut for his guidance and input as well as 1675 for the good info,
Will be taking 1675 advice and get a stainless spacer knocked up

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Had a fun diversion to turn to when getting frustrated

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Broken drive motor
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Grandsons truck
(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/toby_truck1.jpg)   

Anyway back smiling now and waiting to collect shocker early next week,

The lower parts of my bike have never been so clean!!!

Cheers everyone,    Mike.
Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: Coconut on July 04, 2020, 10:51:52 pm
Did you manage to get new Bearings from "Simply Bearings" ?

I noticed they don't have the FC type listed on their web site,
but if they do have them it would be useful to know their Part Numbers  :028:

Keep on Truckin' !

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Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: 1215 on July 05, 2020, 12:26:24 pm
Yes, Simply bearings came up trumps with couple of options available.

HN2020 is the 20x26x20 full compliment bearing, major brand high quality option £13.20,
and seals were 20x26x4_R23  with spring insert  £1.48 each

They do have similar in a budget quality version at £8.03 but went the quality route for £5 extra.

Total cost (free shipping UK)  £19.39 all in.
Arrived in three days (royal mail still have delays) less than half the cost of Triumph packaged set.

as you said there customer services were VERY helpfull.

Also as you see the diversion I mentioned when getting stressed was arguably more fun, pity I cannot get in it!!!
Really torquey, 24volt/ 4 wheel drive and getting blinged up with some led's. Just started a little lightweight trailer for it, every three year olds dream :002: :002:
Cheers,    Mike.
 

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Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: Coconut on July 05, 2020, 01:39:02 pm
1215 :

Thanks for that Info  :028:

The HN2020 ( 20x26x20 ) looks to be for the forward end of the Drag Link,
( which isn't shown on the Parts List as being the "FC" Type ).

Did they have the FC Bearing type for the slightly shorter 20x26x16
used on the rearmost ends of the Drag Link, which are shown on the Parts List to be FC type ?

Thanks,

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Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: 1675 on July 06, 2020, 09:28:27 am
I didn't use Simply Bearings, but a local supplier. I got both sizes of bearings from then in £full compliment", by just giving the size and specifying FC. When I replaced my shock last year I made a "gaiter" out of an old inner tube which fitted nicely from top to bottom and secured it with a couple of zip ties. This prevents anything getting to the working parts and cannot be seen unless you look for it.
Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: 1215 on July 06, 2020, 01:06:35 pm
Coconut,

Yes HN2016 is the full compliment  20 x 26 x 16 £12.64,

Not to be put off by the description it says one closed end but this is wrong it is two open ends, this was a mistake on the other description as well but they have altered the other, this may get corrected .... one day!!!


1675,

Great to meet you yesterday, like minded folk, love the Trophy and definitely the quickest colour..... Lunar Silver!!!

Mike.
Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: Coconut on July 06, 2020, 05:49:36 pm
Thanks again !  :028:

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Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: 1215 on July 24, 2020, 01:51:51 pm
Well the fun begins........ at last the lovely DPD man has  delivered a nice heavy box and inside is.......

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Only issue he put a new bearing in the bottom  but wrong one  NOT full compliment.
If using Firefox just be aware and CLEAR  about what you want i.e. I did say don't worry I have a bearing!!!

Also they are mega busy (it seems all the time) and not the best to converse with he forgot to call me to notify it needed a new 'rod' (outsourced) so this added to the delay.

Also as it was a bit stone chipped on the coil a bit he offered powder coat.... any colour so RED it is,  pity no one sees it!!!

Must get of this keyboard and start reassembly.... greasy fingers here we come.

Mike.
Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: Coconut on July 24, 2020, 07:43:40 pm
Looks very nice - like brand New !

What was the total cost of the refurb in the end ?

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Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: earthman on July 25, 2020, 12:32:09 am
*Originally Posted by 1215 [+]
Couple of frustrating afternoons trying to get the top (front) wishbone bolt and spacer sleeve out.

Little varmint was fast but perseverance paid off.

Thanks AS EVER to Coconut for his guidance and input as well as 1675 for the good info,
Will be taking 1675 advice and get a stainless spacer knocked up

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Would that be item number 28 or 32 on their list or is there a mistake I'm wondering? There's certainly a big difference in price between them. How did you remove it in the end? If it's the sleeve I'm thinking of, there's hardly any of it sticking out to grab hold of.

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Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: digital on July 25, 2020, 10:00:08 am
Obviously there must be an error, that price difference cannot be.

This is all Gary sent me:

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Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: Pea Fritter on July 25, 2020, 12:43:14 pm


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Hi Guys, My rear shock also came back from Firefox racing yesterday, a great service although I agree with 1215 regarding how busy they are. Mine needed new parts as well. A new needle valve, pinions, bearings and seals. All in £526 including the 24 hour delivery return.

I would recommend Firefox racing  :028: to any of our members. Andy at Firefox racing did say he was unable to get a new pinion from Triumph so made one. Has anybody else experienced problems in getting parts from the dealership ? I have been waiting for the lock nuts and footrest mounting plate bolts for over three weeks and still waiting.

Simple task tomorrow when it drys out is to rebuild and test ride. :169:
Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: digital on July 25, 2020, 04:10:47 pm
I do not understand how they can have that state, I changed them when Gary sent them to me, the bike was almost 167,000 km and they were completely new, also its needle bearings and seals were perfectly.

That yes, this bike has never gone on unpaved roads, perhaps that could be the reason. It always goes on asphalt.

Maybe the climate of different countries can also influence, I don't know ...
Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: 1215 on July 26, 2020, 07:51:30 pm
Coconut,

Final cost was £404 including the government cut!!
 Breaks down to (all incl of VAT) rebuild  £199
                                               'New rod'  £150
                                          powder coat  £25
                                 Bearing and seals  £15
                                        DPD next day  £15

All in all, fair I think if he had not done the bearing it would have been under £400

Cheers,   Mike.

Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: Coconut on July 27, 2020, 07:41:23 am
Thanks Mike  :028:

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Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: 1215 on July 30, 2020, 02:27:19 pm
Glad to say all the back end reassembled and CLEANED!!!

Had a 90 mile ''test'' ride yesterday afternoon and not sure if it is in my head but certainly felt smoother.
With the time it has spent on the lift/ off road due to shocker, nearly 4 weeks, I am leaving the air filter and shims tasks now until later in the year.

did spend 20 mins doing the bobbins on the front discs (not touched in a long time)
Not seized but well cacked up and that gave a better 'feel'  to the front brake as well.

Cheers,    Mike.
Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: TripleBBB on August 21, 2020, 04:09:39 pm
*Originally Posted by H2nra [+]
I unfortunately have needed to replace my rear shock twice now. First one at 45k and funnily enough the second at 90k. I contacted several specialist shock repair outfits all of which told me the electric trophy shocks can't be repaired. Well for those who end up in a similar situation I can fully recommend FIREFOX RACING LTD from Keighley. Great job done and despite mine needing replacement piston rod due to corrosion still well less than half new price including dhl collection/delivery. Find them on google. Brilliant service.     


Thats excellent to know there local to me  :015:
Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: Deauville72 on December 09, 2020, 06:45:56 am
Bad news here I guess  :003: :003: :003:
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Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: Jeffb on December 09, 2020, 12:38:31 pm
Uh, Yeah.  That doesn't look normal.  :164:  Welcome to the group though. Hope you can get that fixed.
Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: Mikestrophy on January 12, 2021, 06:29:47 am
Hi bjtourer. I'm curious as to how your rear shock refurb' went ? I'm on the same shock at 70000 kms but might need mine refurbished/replaced . Regards.
Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: bjtourer on January 13, 2021, 09:03:26 am
Good question.  I wasn't sure for a bit as it was like when I used to fly single engine planes over the Bass Strait - the engine would 'seem' to run rough once clear of the coast!  I've checked it thoroughly and there is no sign of leakage and when I don't think about it, it's fine.  The actual handling, which I guess makes a good acid test, is as good as I remember.

I can't tell you who did it as it was done through our local 'TCF Motorcycles' (for a lot cheaper than it would have been through Peter Stevens and Troy, the owner of TCF looks to find ways to keep MY costs down and end up with a better job).  Troy can be called during normal hours on 5441 8177.  The only hassle I had is it took about a week for them to take it out, send it down, get it back, refit it and test it.  It took 6 weeks for whoever did the refurbishment to take it off the shelf and I doubt he would have done it then if I hadn't nudged TCF a bit.

Hope that's helpful.
Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: Mikestrophy on January 13, 2021, 09:03:42 pm
Hi again. Thanks for the info. Much appreciated. Do you recall what the whole job cost you ? In your earlier post you said you had been quoted around $2500 ??? And your bike rides better ie smoother over the bumps ??
Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: bjtourer on January 20, 2021, 08:53:43 am
Hi.  I was actually quoted over $5,000AUD for a new shocker.  The recondition with removal, shipping, and return cost $560AUD.  Sorry for the delay getting back to you.
Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: HACKLE on January 20, 2021, 10:01:06 am
Thanks for the info on TCF Motorcycles. Filed in my very old memory bank. Cheers.  :028:
Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: Mikestrophy on January 20, 2021, 08:10:23 pm
Hi. That's about what I've been quoted by Melbourne Motorcycle Fairings so at least similar in price. Thanks again for the info.
Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: STJIM on January 21, 2021, 02:22:52 pm
*Originally Posted by LarryJa [+]
Over here, in the USA, EPM Performance Imports(732 786-9777) will rebuild the rear esa shock on our SE's.
SNIP ......
So, there is a very reputable service available for suspension upgrade parts & services here in the US.

Here is the link to the EPM website :  https://epmperf.com/motorcycle-shock-rebuild-service/ (https://epmperf.com/motorcycle-shock-rebuild-service/)
Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: Mikestrophy on January 23, 2021, 08:09:56 am
Well I got my bike back today. The rear shock WAS weeping fluid so getting it serviced ie new fluid and a thorough check-up was worth it. Bike rides much better and PIAM is VERY happy. Cost was around $500. Melbourne Motorcycle Fairings always do good work.
Title: Re: Rear Shock repair/refurb
Post by: HACKLE on January 23, 2021, 09:31:50 am
Tanks for the info Mike. Ride safe ol mate.  :028: :158: