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Title: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offer !
Post by: Coconut on November 24, 2018, 11:07:07 AM
In the UK, FM radio is gradually being phased out, eventually to be replaced
with "DAB" ( Digital Audio Broadcasting ) Radio Stations. 
Some Radio Stations ( such as my personal favourite "Planet Rock" ) are no longer broadcast on FM,
but ARE available on DAB ( and Internet ) Radio. The Trophy does not have a DAB Radio :110:

I've been in touch with the nice people at RadioSound US - who make the Trophy Audio Unit,
who told me they have NO add-on modules to provide DAB Radio, and there are NO plans
for them to look into doing so in the future - due to the Trophy being discontinued.  :161:

BUT, they hinted that the USB Port might be an option for using a suitable device,
and pointed me in the direction of a Company called DENSION - who make a variety of
add-on audio modules ( mainly for Cars ), to receive DAB radio via the Car Head Unit.   :084:

Over the last few months, in consultation with some very helpful and knowledgeable guys at Dension,
between us we have come up with what is essentially a "Plug & Play" solution,
with a Configuration File specific to the Triumph Trophy SE,
allowing the DAB Radio Stations to be displayed on the Trophy Instrument Panel !  :062:

This utilises their Dension DAB+U DAB Radio Receiver. (http://shop.dension.com/en/dab-u-usb-dab-radio-receiver)

( Edited 09/01/19 ! ) PLEASE NOTE that a DAB Antenna is also needed.
Orginally I tried a solution that was acceptable to me, but was not as good,
in terms of Signal Reception, as the DAB Radio in my car.
I have now found a dedicated DAB Antenna solution - Please see Post Reply #29 & 31 for details !



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How it works :

The DAB+U device connects to the Trophy Audio System USB Port.
DAB Radio Stations are "mimicked" as being MP3 Tracks. 
The upper line of the Trophy Audio Display will show "DAB RADIO", and
the lower line of the Trophy Audio Display will show the name of the Radio Station.
The handlebar Audio Switch Cube buttons are used to change Stations, and other Operations.

(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/DAB-RADIO-Display.jpg)



Note :
A simple one-time operation to upload the specific Triumph Trophy Configuration file
to the Dension DAB+U device must be carried out by the User before first use. 

Please download the attached User Guide - for operating the DAB+U Radio,
by clicking the Link at the foot of this Post.  The User Guide also has instructions
for downloading the required Configuration file and uploading it to the DAB+U device.



What is needed :
 
I purchased the Dension DAB+U device and decided to locate it inside the Glove Box.
( It's not waterproof so that seemed a good place for it, with easy access to the USB Port,
and is a relatively short distance for the Antenna and Power connections ).

You may decide on an alternative installation, such as mounting the DAB+U adjacent to the Audio Unit
( Below the under Rider seat Stowage Box ), where there is room for it, and connections to the
Antenna and Power supplies are available, then utilise an alternative Antenna Solution mounted elsewhere ).

(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/Dension-DABU.jpg)

Please see NOTE above, and Post Replies #29 & 31
for a recommended dedicated DAB Antenna solution !
  :169:

Alternatively - For receiving the DAB Radio signal, after a considerable amount of experimentation with different products,
the solution I first tried was to connect to the existing Trophy Antenna wiring,
using an Amplified DAB SMB Splitter cable, and to replace the screw in Trophy FM Mast
with a new "DAB / FM" Mast.  This preserves the reception and selection of FM and AM Radio stations.
This did result in a number of Signal Losses while riding around, whereas the dedicated DAB Antenna
Solution mentioned in later Posts is much more stable.


Items that are needed to utilise the existing Antenna are :

1. 
Amplified Antenna Splitter cable with DIN Male, DIN Female, SMB Female, and Power connectors.
See Photo - These can be found quite readily on Amazon / eBay etc, usually for around £15.00.
The Splitter cable is used to connect the DAB+U Unit into the existing Antenna line,
while still preserving it for using the FM / AM Radio :

(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/Amplified-DAB-Splitter-SMB.jpg)


2. 
SMB Male to SMB Female Right Angled extension cable ( 30cm ).
This isn't 100% necessary but is useful if following the same installation method,
as it provides a "Quick Disconnect" for whenever the Glove Box or Fairing are removed,
such as during routine maintenance / servicing.

(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/SMB-male-to-SMB-Female-Right-Angle-Cable.jpg)


3.
Replacement screw in DAB Antenna Mast.
I tried using the original Trophy FM antenna, and although some DAB Stations could be received,
there was an unacceptably high number of instances where the Signal was lost.
Using a "proper" DAB Antenna Mast has resulted in far fewer "No Signal" reports.
This is the one I used - there are many others available :
DAB On Wheels Spare mast for Kinetic DRA-6001 (https://www.dabonwheels.co.uk/product/spare-mast-for-kinetic-dra-6001/) ( £14.99 ).

(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/Replacement-DAB-Antenna.jpg)


4.
A short ( 25cm ) USB Type A Male to Male cable is needed to connect the DAB+U device to the Trophy USB Port.
( The DAB+U device is supplied with a long USB cable, that might be useful if you decide to mount the device
somewhere other than inside the Glove Box.

(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/USB-Type-A-male-to-male-25cm.jpg)





Hardware installation ( DAB+U inside Glove Box ) :

Remove the Trophy Screen by undoing the six screws. 
Put the screen somewhere safe to protect it from getting scratched !

Remove the Glove Box, disconnecting the wires for the Accessory Socket, USB Socket, and Lock Solenoid.

Remove both Mirror Pods - Refer to this Topic for details of which screws need to be removed :
How To Remove the Fairing ...... Paragraphs 11 to 14. (https://www.triumph-trophy.com/index.php/topic,832.160.html)

Remove the panels surrounding the Instrument pack, as far as is necessary
to access the rear of the Instruments, where there is an in-line connector to the Trophy FM antenna.

Refer to this Topic for details of which screws need to be removed :
HOW TO: Fit Triumph Sat Nav Bracket ..... (https://www.triumph-trophy.com/index.php/topic,1858.96.html)

NOTE : There are two additional fixings that need to be removed - they are Plastic "Scrivets" -
inside the Mirror Pods - directly above each of the large headed Indicator retaining screws.
The Scrivets can be carefully unscrewed - also recover the plastic parts they screw into, to prevent losing them !

Locate the In-Line Trophy Antenna cable connector that runs through a Clip at the rear of the Instrument Panel.
Grasp the connector ( NOT the cable - to reduce the risk of damage ) and pull the connection apart.

Location of Antenna cable connection :
(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/Antenna-Connector-Location.jpg)

Connect the Male DIN Plug of the Amplified Splitter Cable to the Trophy Antenna wiring socket,
and the Female DIN Socket of the Amplified Splitter Cable to the Male DIN plug of the Trophy Antenna Fly Lead.

Route the SMB Male connector and Power cable across and into the area below the Glove Box.
Keep the wiring tidy, routing it so as not become trapped when refitting the Instrument Pack.

Prepare the Glove Box to accept entry of the Antenna Fly Lead.

You might decide to just a drill a hole and pass the Antenna cable through,
but for a neater method, and to reduce the potential for water ingress, I made an access
immediately below the Accessory Power socket, ( which I have previously removed
from my Trophy and replaced with a combined Voltmeter / USB Power Socket ).

To remove the Accessory socket from the Glove Box is a bit fiddly - you need to release the two small tabs
inside the socket by depressing them while pushing / pulling the metal part out of the Glove Box.
A thin blade or small screwdriver can also be used carefully, to pry the socket apart.

(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/Accessory-Socket-Dismantling.jpg)

I filed a small groove - the same width as the Antenna Fly Lead, and sufficiently deep
so as not to interfere with replacing the Voltmeter, ( or Accessory Socket ),
and fed the SMB Male to Female Extension Lead into the Glove Box,
so that the Female socket was inside the Glove Box, ready for connection to the DAB+U. 
Refit the Accessory power socket ( or Voltmeter ).

(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/Glove-Box-Adaptation.jpg)

Splice the Power cable ( which has an In-Line fuseholder )
into the Positive Feed to the Glove Box Accessory Socket.
( You may decide or prefer to use an alternative Power Source ).

Connect the SMB Female antenna connector from the Amplified Splitter Cable,
to the SMB Male Plug of the Extension lead emerging from the Glove Box.

Reconnect the Glove Box Accessory Socket wiring, USB Port, and Solenoid Lock wiring.

Place the Glove Box loosely back into position, and use the short USB Type A Male to Male Cable
to connect the Lower of the two DAB+U USB ports to the Trophy USB socket.

(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/DABUSB-Port.jpg)

(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/DABU-Installed-in-Glove-Box.jpg)


Unscrew the Trophy FM Antenna mast and replace it with the new DAB Antenna Mast.



After the physical installation, the system needs to be commissioned:

Follow the User Guide that and can be downloaded from the Link at the end of this Post.

Have the Trophy in a location where there is good DAB Radio reception.

Switch ON the Ignition - Start the engine to prevent draining the battery,
unless in a confined space where the exhaust fumes would be hazardous.

Switch the Audio Output to "SPEAKERS" ( Press and hold the "M" Button to access the Audio Setup Menu,
scroll down to AUDIO OUTPUT, select SPEAKERS, Press "i" then EXIT out of the Menus ).

Press "M" repeatedly if necessary, to select "USB" as the Source -
the Dension DAB+U device should be shown as "DBU31.220.5.4."

(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/DBU31_220_5_4.jpg)


The DAB Radio now needs to Scan for DAB Radio Stations - Refer to the User Guide.

When SCANNING has completed the DAB+U will restart and is then ready for use.  :028:

DAB Radio Stations are selected by using the handlebar Audio Switch Cube buttons - pressing
">> Next Track" or "<< Previous Track" for the Next or Previous alphabetically stored Radio Stations.

(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/DAB-RADIO-Display.jpg)


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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: DrSteve on November 24, 2018, 12:18:21 PM
Excellent post - very professional and helpful. 
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Saddle Tramp on November 24, 2018, 12:31:54 PM
Coconut, you must like music as much as I do!  :001:
Good show, researching and negotiating a solution for your fellow Trophies, and then following up with a detailed tutorial about the installation.
Makes me want to go out and get one, and I live in the States!

I guess something similar has been happening in these parts for some time, but they call it HD Radio over here.
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: bobv07662 on November 24, 2018, 01:21:07 PM
We've had digital FM here in the US for quite some time. I don't know if it's the same system you'll be using...perhaps a US spec radio unit might solve your problems?
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Coconut on November 24, 2018, 02:16:35 PM
There are only 2 versions of the Triumph Trophy Audio system - the one we have in the UK
is for Long Wave (LW) and Medium Wave (MW), which are both "AM", and "FM" Radio.

There's not much to be found on LW and MW these days, and as stated
"FM" is being phased out, to be replaced by "DAB" ( Digital Audio Broadcasting ).

The Audio system fitted to the US & Canadian Export models of Trophy
has "AM" and "FM" plus Sirius XM Satellite Radio - which we don't have / can't receive in the UK.

HD Radio in the U.S. ( HD is the Brand Name of iBiquity Digital Corporation
who invented the HD Radio technology ), is a Digital Radio service that is broadcast
over the existing AM and FM spectrums.

A HD Digital Radio receiver is needed to receive HD Radio programmes.
An Analogue AM / FM Radio will just ignore the HD Digital Radio signals.

There is no mention in the Audio handbook of the U.S. Trophy version
having AM HD or FM HD Radio, so I can only assume that it is an analogue system.

AM Radio Stations in the UK broadcast from 153kHz to 1602kHz
FM Radio Stations in the UK broadcast from 87.6 MHz to 107.9 MHz

DAB Radio in the UK broadcast on a completely different frequency spectrum
than AM or FM - being much higher from 174 MHz to 229 MHz.

Even if the US Version of the Trophy Audio system DID have an HD Radio receiver,
it would therefore be of no use in the UK. :110:

Cheers  :821:

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Saddle Tramp on November 24, 2018, 03:31:06 PM
Just to be clear, the US radio does not have HD radio capability.
And, I am not the least surprised that we operate on a different frequency!  :082:
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: trophied on November 24, 2018, 03:54:25 PM
With all the requirements for different parts of the systems changing and some of the solutions not even available yet, it's no surprise the Trophy was discontinued.
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: earthman on November 24, 2018, 07:00:12 PM
Looks like a good mod, one question, is that another USB slot at the top? Can that be used to play songs that you have stored on a stick already or do you have to unplug the DAB device every time??

(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/DABUSB-Port.jpg)
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Coconut on November 24, 2018, 07:28:01 PM
Good Question !

The other, upper USB Port, allows a "Pass Through" feature,
using the Optional "EXT2CP2" Connector Port for DAB+U (http://shop.dension.com/en/connector-port-for-dabu),
which has a selector switch for either DAB Radio, or the connected USB device,
 
It costs £17.89. ( The Forum Discount of 20% only applies to the DAB+U Receiver ).

The Connector Port male USB Cable plugs into the Upper USB Port of the DAB+U and has a second cable
with a round plug that connects to the socket adjacent to the USB sockets of the DAB+U.

Your USB Memory stick would then be plugged into the Female USB socket of the Connector Port,
which has a Toggle switch to select either DAB Radio or the connected USB Memory Stick / device.

The reason I omitted this from the original Post is that I envisage there could be problem(s)
cramming everything into the Glove Box, or finding an alternative weatherproof installation
solution that would allow access to the Toggle switch.

Here's an Image of the Connector Port :

(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/EXT2CP2-Connector-Port.jpg)

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: jaapvanthoff on November 24, 2018, 09:07:10 PM
Top post!

I was thinking to buy a portable radio with DAB+ and connect it via the connector I use for my I-pad. And put the radio in my tank bag.
But this is so much smoother.
Compliments.

Jaap
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: demonbane on November 25, 2018, 02:51:44 PM
i would be interested in how it would fit under the seat.

any issues with the usb connection? or other connections

it would ( to me ) make more sense as a proper (bigger) antenna could be attached toward the rear  ( on top box, rack or off some other rear protusion
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Coconut on November 25, 2018, 03:32:21 PM
I had originally tried strapping the Dension DAB+U to the left side of the bike -
forward of the Fuse Boxes, using Cable ties :

(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/Installed.jpg)

By removing the four screws holding the Storage Box under the Rider seat,
the storage box can be lifted out giving access to the Audio Unit underneath and it's connections :

(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/Storage-Box-Screws.jpg)

The "Splitter Cable" ( if used ) can be connected in there - to connect to the existing antenna,
and the SMB Fly Lead passed out through the existing Grommet in the side of the Audio Housing Box.
Alternatively, a separate Antenna could be connected. 

(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/Audio-Unit-Wiiring.jpg)

(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/Wiring-Grommet.jpg)

(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/Splitter-Cable-added.jpg)

A USB extension cable needs to be fed from the DAB+U device along and to the Glove box USB Socket
fitted inside the Glove Box. ( The one provided with the DAB+U device is just long enough ! )

The DAB+U device "could" be fitted INSIDE the Audio Unit Housing box,
but there would not be room to refit the Storage Tray, so it would need to be left out,
or a Blanking Plate made up to cover the hole.
( Unless you were prepared to do away with the exisitng AM / FM radio by unplugging
its' Antenna - then there WOULD be room to refit the Storage Tray ! ) 

The hinged spring loaded lid would still operate and latch into the catch
with the storage tray removed, keeping the Audio housing watertight.

The DAB+U device measures 102mm long x 75mm wide, and 24mm deep.
The overall length will be increased due to the USB and Antenna Connections at each end.


I decided against this option though, to get the DAB+U closer to the front of the bike
where it was easier ( for me ) to make the USB and Antenna connections,
but there are obviously a number of different installation options that could be tried.

Cheers  :821:

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: earthman on November 25, 2018, 07:46:57 PM
I guess that this will depend on where abouts you ride in the UK but what's the reception like in general with these DAB radios whilst one is on the move?

I remember my mum buying a DAB radio for her kitchen some years ago, the reception on that were really patchy, if you moved it literally an inch, the music would stop,......it were far worse than the FM radio she had been using.

Hopefully the transmitters etc have improved since then?
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Coconut on November 25, 2018, 08:07:11 PM
"In General" it is much the same as the existing / previous FM Radio Station coverage,
as that was the brief when the service began implementation.

You can check coverage in your area here : UK Digital Radio : Coverage. (http://www.ukdigitalradio.com/coverage/postcodesearch/)

Signals outdoors are stronger than those received Indoors ( in Mum's kitchen etc  :164: ),
but that will of course depend on the signal getting to the Radio,
which is dependent on the antenna used, and which I'm still researching.

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: earthman on November 25, 2018, 10:41:45 PM
*Originally Posted by Coconut [+]
"In General" it is much the same as the existing / previous FM Radio Station coverage,
as that was the brief when the service began implementation.

You can check coverage in your area here : UK Digital Radio : Coverage. (http://www.ukdigitalradio.com/coverage/postcodesearch/)

Signals outdoors are stronger than those received Indoors ( in Mum's kitchen etc  :164: ),
but that will of course depend on the signal getting to the Radio,
which is dependent on the antenna used, and which I'm still researching.

I take it that you are not that happy with the antenna that you are currently using then?

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I take it that you are not that happy with the antenna that you are currently using then? :164:
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Coconut on November 26, 2018, 05:50:20 AM
Quoted from original Post ...  :015: :

PLEASE NOTE however that a DAB Antenna is also needed, and while I have found a solution that,
for now, is acceptable to me, it is not as good, in terms of Signal Reception, as the DAB Radio in my car.
I am still experimenting with Antennae, and will probably fit a dedicated DAB Antenna once I find the right one !

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: earthman on November 26, 2018, 09:38:21 AM
Well fingers crossed that you find an antenna that works 100%,...otherwise there's not much point in buying the main unit in my opinion. :015:

Do the latest audio equipped BMW motorcycles even come with a DAB radio I wonder? Maybe look at their antenna?........Best of luck. :002:
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Coconut on November 26, 2018, 12:10:39 PM
QUOTE - AGAIN !  :027:

I HAVE FOUND A SOLUTION THAT,
FOR NOW, IS ACCEPTABLE TO ME...

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: earthman on November 26, 2018, 07:01:47 PM
Maybe it's just me but I find your quotes some what contradictory. :027:

I guess it comes down to what one feels is 'acceptable',.....you obviously can't be satisfied otherwise you wouldn't be looking for another aerial would you. :187:   

   
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Coconut on November 26, 2018, 07:38:16 PM
[Maybe it's just me but I find your quotes some what contradictory.

Feel free to stop reading them then,
or commenting on them - if thereís nothing useful to add ! :028:

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: earthman on November 26, 2018, 07:50:39 PM
Alan, I like the idea and I'd part with the £100 needed for the unit tomorrow but if it turns out that you can't get an aerial to fit/provide a good reception, I'd be a bit peed off to be honest.

Maybe other owners may take the same view? I dunno,...just something to consider.
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Coconut on November 26, 2018, 07:59:03 PM
And that's exactly why I highlighted
the issue in the first place Steve !

I get a few drop-outs, but to me they are acceptable.

Iím as confident as I can be that a dedicated DAB Antenna
would improve the signal to give fewer drops, but I havenít
yet found one at a sensible price, or found the time for more
experimentation.

Hopefully another Member who knows more about Antennae
than I do, might provide some information and ideas.

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Ebenezer on November 26, 2018, 08:08:19 PM
One of the Trophy-riding members of the Yahoo-Trophylist is a professional antenne-specialist. I don't have his email at hand but one should be able to find it on the Trophy-list.

Henk
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: earthman on November 26, 2018, 08:13:54 PM
*Originally Posted by Ebenezer [+]
One of the Trophy-riding members of the Yahoo-Trophylist is a professional antenne-specialist. I don't have his email at hand but one should be able to find it on the Trophy-list.

Henk

Fingers crossed that he could advise. :028:
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Coconut on November 26, 2018, 08:17:19 PM
Thanks Henk, Thatís very useful !

Or it would be, but Iím not a Member of that Group,
and I donít think Links to other similar Groups are
allowed in the Forum, so if you manage to find his
Contact details, perhaps you could send them to me
in a Private Message, and Iíll have a chat with him.

Cheers  :821:

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Dension official on November 29, 2018, 09:23:52 AM
Instead of a new DAB antenna a solution can be an antenna splitter too.
Our main partners in Switzerland use Calearo 7562030 spliter in Harley and Indian motorcycles. Unfortunately Dension does not tested this splitter personally but they are our trusted partners and they installed many of these in the last few months.  :002:
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Mr. B. on December 02, 2018, 12:39:47 PM
Thank you, Alan.
If you ever come to Berlin, just send me a message for some beer.

 :821:
Klaus
 
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Coconut on December 02, 2018, 03:05:31 PM
Cheers Klaus !  :821:

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Coconut on January 06, 2019, 07:07:36 PM
The quest continues for the best DAB Antenna solution.

I found a reasonably priced "proper" DAB Antenna with BNC Connector,
and used a BNC Bulkhead connector with SMB Fly Lead, mounted onto a home made bracket.

I like the look of this position :
Edited to add :
Doesn't provide the best Signal reception here - being low down and alongside the engine.

(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/RG-Bars-Antenna-Mount.jpg)

Or there's this for anyone without the R & G Adventure Bars :
( Also shows my add-on mirror screwed into the Clutch Reservoir mounting hole ) :
Edited to Add: Better Reception, but adds further obstruction to the Trophy mirror.

(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/Handlebar-Antenna-Mount.jpg)

All I need now is the time and spme reasonable weather to get out and test it,
and see of the Reception has improved in the areas where the Signal would be lost
using the existing "FM" Antenna and Amplified Splitter arrangement.

If all is well I'll post an update with details of the parts used.

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Grubloon on January 07, 2019, 01:30:48 PM
Coconut,
Re your being happy with your antenna set up, my car has DAB radio that I use at all times, and even that drops out in certain areas of the country, especially in our more hilly areas like the Pennines and the Derbyshire peaks, so I would imagine that the antenna is not at fault but the radio signals being very poor.

With that in mind I am still going for the DAB set up, will pm you for the voucher code, I missed this post originally, so when the post I did see had the link to this, all my questions were answered, cheers.   :152:  :821:   
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Coconut on January 09, 2019, 04:38:20 PM
Managed to get out on the Trophy and test the new Antenna setup today.

I rode the same route where I knew there had been a Loss of Signal with the original setup,
and a few other places, and didn't get a single drop out, other than when going through the
Queensway Tunnels in Birmingham City Centre, proving that the original FM antenna isn't really
up to the job.

So for anyone thinking about this for their Trophy, I recommend forgetting trying to
use a Splitter to patch in the existing Antenna, and get a dedicated "DAB" Antenna.

This is the one I used  :
EXB-220-BN Two Way Radio Antenna 220-225MHz BNC Connector (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EXB-220-BN-Two-Way-Radio-Antenna-220-225MHz-BNC-Connector/273010617530)
from eBay ( £4.50 including postage ! ).

I used a BNC Bulkhead connector with 50cm SMB Fly-Lead,
sourced form a Chinese seller on Amazon,
mounted it to a home made bracket fixed to the left handlebar Mirror mount,
and used as short SMB extension cable from the Fly Lead into the Glove Box
( providing a Quick Disconnect for Bike Maintenance ), where it plugs into the Dension DAB+U.

Job Done  :028:

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Grubloon on January 11, 2019, 09:10:07 PM
Coconut,
 
Assuming that the FM aerial is disconnected, if you are not using the splitter, have you removed it or have you left it in situ, and more to the point could the FM mounting point be utilized for an DAB aerial.

Or have I missed something.   :187:  :084:
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Coconut on January 11, 2019, 09:41:45 PM
With the new dedicated DAB antenna connected I no longer have any need for the "Splitter" cable.

I wil be removng it soon and returning the FM Antenna to it's original condition. 

For now, the FM Antenna is connected to the Audio system via the Splitter Cable,
but with nothing connected to the SMB Connector of the Splitter.

Cheers  :821:

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Grubloon on January 17, 2019, 02:40:19 PM
Well order for the unit placed on 10th Jan, order shipped on the 14th Jan, and UPS say they have delivered it on the 15th Jan at 1523, and that I signed for it, which was a tad difficult as I was at work at that time, so who's had it away with my DAB unit.   :233:

Not a happy bunny, as well as the DAB unit I had ordered a connector port, and so £119 is not a small sum to loose.

It's not the first time a Parcel company has cocked it up, at least with the Royal Mail if they can't deliver they stick a note through the door to let you know, and then one can go to the sorting office to collect it.  :187:

Now got to wait and see what happens next. :084:
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Coconut on January 17, 2019, 02:59:48 PM
That's VERY annoying - no doubt you've asked them to show you a copy of the Signature
that was supposedly obtained when it was delivered ?

I think you're covered under the Distance Selling Regulations, where it is the Seller's
responsibility to deliver the goods within the time stated, so I would simply pass the information
back to Dension, ask them to re-send your Order.

Dension can then claim the value back from the Carrier that Lost it !

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Grubloon on January 17, 2019, 03:18:08 PM
Hi Coconut,

I have been in touch with Dension, boy is it difficult to get to the right department, still not sure if my e-mail has gone to the right dept, fingers crossed, now it's a wait and see how long it is for the replacement to turn up. :187:

Was looking forward to fitting the unit this weekend, having got a week off, (6 rest days and a Sunday off) bags of time to play,  :152:

Oh well, have to find something else to do, see what the weather does. :190:
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Coconut on January 17, 2019, 03:33:43 PM
On their Web Site if you click on the 3 white dots in a "balloon"
at the bottom right of the page it will open uo a "Web Chat" page
where they should be able to help.  :028:

Cheers  :821:

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Grubloon on January 17, 2019, 04:22:42 PM
Thanks Coconut,

Will give that a try next if no reply from e-mail I've sent.   :028:
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Dension official on January 18, 2019, 08:15:09 AM
Hi Grubloon. Can you please tell me your e-mail adress you used at Dension website, and also your order ID? Thank you in advance. Maybe my competent colleagues already checked this for you, but if not I could ask about it and give you a feedback. We can't affect what the deliver company does, but if the ordered package arrives back to us at least we can double check the adress and we could send it to you again. Thank you.  :017:
You can send the details to techsupport@dension.com
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Grubloon on January 18, 2019, 10:07:04 AM
Hi Dension Official,
e-mail sent to your  Tech support address, all details requested sent. :028:
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Dension official on January 18, 2019, 10:13:44 AM
Hello Grubloon. Strangely it didn't arrive to us yet, it is not marked as spam either. Please send a copy to my private e-mail adress too: dturanszki@dension.com
Thanks  :169:
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Grubloon on January 18, 2019, 01:57:36 PM
Hi Dension official.
New e-mail sent.  :046:
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Grubloon on January 23, 2019, 12:55:30 PM
Still waiting for UPS to find my parcel of goodies.

They have told me that the parcel was delivered and signed for at an address 3 miles from my house and left in the mail box, checked google maps there is no road with the same name as the road I live on, in the place it was delivered, so who signed for it.   :084:

So now I await  the outcome of the UPS investigation, not holding my breath. :157:
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Coconut on January 23, 2019, 02:12:05 PM
This is disgraceful.  :023:

I hope that Dension are sending out replacement goods, - using a different Courier.

I would have thought, and expect it to be THEIR responsibility to ensure delivery,
and not for you to have to do all the chasing around for Goods you have paid for,
that the SELLER's Courier have either Lost, Misplaced or Stolen !

Although not Dension's fault ( MANY of these Couriers are just as bad as each other ),
it doesn't sit well with me for having recommended this in the first place.  :110:

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Grubloon on January 23, 2019, 03:22:09 PM
Hi Coconut,

Made a request to Dension to send a replacement, they won't, said that it,s up to UPS to either contact me to say they have the parcel and will deliver it, or have sent the parcel back to Dension, either way Dension have said that they cannot make an exception by sending me another unit, we have to wait for UPS to pull their finger out.

So Dension have my money, UPS have their postal money, and I have sweet FA.   :172: :157:
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Grubloon on January 23, 2019, 03:37:32 PM
Coconut..

Not a thing you could be responsible for, as can be seen it's incompetent courier company, that's responsible. :028:
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Dension official on January 23, 2019, 03:39:15 PM
Hi Grubloon. Some minutes later I sent you an other e-mail, please check it. I hope we can send you an other device meanwhile we are waiting for the "lost" unit to be sorted out. Tomorrow I will contact you about this matter again.  :046:
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Grubloon on January 28, 2019, 02:43:00 PM

 :046:  Second attempt by Dension to send DAB unit successful,  :152: 

 :172: No thanks to Useless Parcels Service (UPS) three people at home, UPS driver says not delivered as no one to receive parcel, driver never even drove along the road, parcel dropped of at a pick up point in Altrincham, I hope never to have another parcel sent by UPS as they seem to employ incompetent delivery drivers, and don't give a monkey's about customer care.  :157:

So now I can have some fun fitting the unit.  :047:

Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Grubloon on February 05, 2019, 03:41:01 PM
The fitting of the DAB unit is under way, I have gone for putting it under the tray, under the seat, I have cut the bottom off the tray, leaving 1 inch of the upper part of the tray, I then cut a piece of plastic sheet to shape (approx 2mm thick) and epoxied it to the upper part of the tray, thus making a shallower tray than the original.

I have fitted the connector port in the clove box, and then ran the cables through the bottom of the box to the DAB unit, did involve putting a new hole in the bottom of the clove box and in the side of the box that holds the radio, wires/aerial lead, the connector port does come with a cable specific grommet.

I have also fitted a DAB/FM aerial on the front of the fairing on the opposite side to the FM aerial, and at a later date I will take the FM aerial off and put a blanking plate over the hole, the only down side is the new aerial is as long as the original Triumph one, and the base of it has a slightly larger footprint, but it is movable.

Next up is fitting it all together and see if it works. Will update with some photo's soon.  :028: 

As an aside UPS are still trying to find the original parcel they wrongly delivered/ lost, and have rung me a number of times, to ask if it has been delivered yet.  :187:     
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Coconut on February 05, 2019, 03:44:04 PM
I think I'd have checked it all works first before cutting holes !

What specific aerial did you use ? -

I'm still experimenting !  :156:

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Grubloon on February 05, 2019, 04:17:09 PM
Hi Coconut,

I am using an Isuzu roof mounting aerial, it was the only one I could find that was DAB/FM and moveable like the original Triumph aerial, down side, it's wasn't cheap.

The hole cutting is unobtrusive as is possible, and I bought a new tray just in case I made a complete hash of cutting the original.

All going well final testing of the unit will be done tomorrow, and it will work. :164:
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Grubloon on February 06, 2019, 03:24:08 PM
 :046: It works, I have DAB radio, now to put all the plastic back together and try it out on the road.

It took a bit of figuring out getting the unit configured, but with some help from my computer wizard son it was soon configured, a little bit of head scratching setting up the radio stations, but got it sorted after a minute or so, now have a raft of new stations to listen to.  :046:

Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: digital on February 06, 2019, 08:00:32 PM
I have put this radio that looks to the left to the Trophy.

Take DAB, FM, input USB pendrive I also see the two fixed cameras that I have in the Trophy and do a few things.

I am very happy with the purchase of this device ...

regards

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Grubloon on February 07, 2019, 07:33:59 PM
A couple of photo's showing the mods I have made so as to fit the DAB unit out of the way, and still be able to use my memory stick without too much hassle, and store a tyre pressure gauge.   :164:

The Aerial is an item fitted to an Isuzu D-Max pick up truck, not cheap, but the only one I could find that had a movable aerial like the original Triumph unit, at the moment the Triumph aerial is staying in place until I have made a blanking cover to fill the recess were it sits on the fairing.

The other fly in the ointment is the new aerial doesn't fit flush on the fairing all the way round, because of the curvature on the top half of the fairing so a small bead of clear silicone will be applied to the gap.

Sorry about the size of the pic's not sure how to make them smaller, any info on how to, most welcome.




 

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Grubloon on February 07, 2019, 07:44:07 PM
The glove box picture.

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Coconut on February 07, 2019, 08:55:28 PM
Looking good !

A couple of things:

Triumph Part Number T2308181 is used on the Non SE Version of the Trophy
as a Blanking Cover for the Aerial.
Item No3. here from World of Triumph ( £7.24 ! ) (https://www.worldoftriumph.com//partscatalog/catalog/listing/catalog/triumphmc/modelid/621900/block/100061435-2-2/#)

Your Photos look fine on my PC - I think they get automatically resized
when they are added from your Album, but if you wanted to make them smaller,
and don't have any suitable Graphics Software, you can use an on-line tool such as :
www.picresize.com (http://www.picresize.com/) which is free to use.

Cheers  :821:

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Grubloon on February 08, 2019, 10:32:34 AM
Coconut,

Thanks for the info re the blanking cover, will get one ordered. Never thought to see if one was available, just assumed there were two types of front panels.

Had I used my head, and had a look or asked, I might have been able to put the new aerial in the position of the Triumph unit.

Hey ho, one learns from ones mistakes.

As for the pictures, I'm happy with the results, just thought they might be a tad too big, any more I put on I will get my son to resize them, he has all the software for that type of work, being a graphic designer.  :821:
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Grubloon on February 09, 2019, 07:23:09 PM
Well all is back together, so why have I got three screws left, as I took them out I put them in card slots with where they came from.   :187:

So it'll be pulled apart again to find where they belong.  :157:

Apart from that, I am pleased with the way the unit works, just got to work out how to get the radio stations into a favourites file, can get it to scan, but having trouble getting the favourite file to open, I have been using Coconuts how to notes, but I must be doing something wrong, will have another go next weekend.
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Coconut on February 09, 2019, 08:47:40 PM
The remaining screws are most likely from around the Mirror pod areas !
(  Don't ask how I know !  :138: ).

Adding Radio Stations to the Favorites List should work as explained in the User Guide.

With the required Station selected, press "P", then ">>" twice briefly
and "FAVORITE ADD" should be displayed. 
After a few seconds the Radio will restart,
indicating that the Station has been added to the Favorites List.

After the Radio has been switched off, either Manually using the Volume Down button,
or after switching off the Ignition, the next time the Radio is switched back ON,
it should start up at the first Station in the Favorites List.

Cheers  :821:

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Grubloon on February 09, 2019, 10:33:37 PM
Coconut,

That's were I'm having trouble, I'm selecting the station,  pressing "P" then ">>" but am not getting Favourite Add displaying, I have been using the " User Guide " from the start, but have not been very successful at the moment.

That last paragraph throws a different light on the subject.

Will have another go on Thursday, and have another look for where the spare screws go, have checked the mirror pod area, they are all fitted.

Cheers.



Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Coconut on February 10, 2019, 11:52:59 AM
Just double checked mine :

Pressing "P" should switch the display to "DBU31.220.5.4."

First Press of the ">>" button should switch the display to "SCANNING".

As soon as the word "SCANNING" appears, Press ">>" again,
and it should switch to "ADD FAVORITE"

Don't press any more buttons and after a few seconds the DAB+U device Radio should reboot,
and the last selected Station should have been added to the Favorites List.

Cheers  :821:

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Grubloon on February 10, 2019, 04:28:04 PM
Thanks Coconut.

That could be why I'm not having much success with getting the stations into a favourites list, pressing buttons too quickly, will give it a try later in the week, cheers.  :152:
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Grubloon on February 15, 2019, 07:34:09 PM
So I have been for a spin and the DAB worked reasonably well, but it did drop out a few times, when it shouldn't have done, the connector port works very well, so no problem there, so in light of the drop outs I'm going to try Coconuts DAB aerial system and see what happens.

The aerial I have fitted is for a car, and I am wondering if the earth lead is not to hot enough, as the aerial would be grounded through the car body as well as the thin wired lead, also the antenna screw to the base unit isn't the same as another DAB aerial I have.

Therefore I am wondering if the unit I am using is an FM aerial with a built in splitter system, just a pity I couldn't use the other aerial I have, but the only place it could be mounted is on the top box, as it's a roof mount aerial.  :084:
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Coconut on February 15, 2019, 08:15:21 PM
Grubloon :

Sending you a PM  :028:

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: earthman on March 02, 2019, 07:35:09 PM
Interesting video titled "Why DAB sounds so bad- the UK's digital radio shambles"  :003:

Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Coconut on March 02, 2019, 09:55:19 PM
Interesting though that Video may be, this Topic is about
integrating DAB Radio into the Trophy audio system,
and not about the pros and cons of the DAB Radio Service,
so I perhaps that should be the subject of a separate Topic ?

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: earthman on March 02, 2019, 10:05:14 PM
I weren't sure where to post it to be honest,...just thought that it would most likely be seen by many on this thread and could explain why some are not getting the best out of their unit??
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Coconut on March 03, 2019, 10:31:00 AM
The limitations of the UK DAB Radio system in terms of Audio compression and quality
have absolutely nothing to do with "why some are not getting the best out of their unit."

Previous posts in this Topic mention issues of finding the best Aerial configuration
for the best Signal Reception - nothing to do with the broadcast audio quality etc.

The subject of DAB Radio audio quality and compression may well be worthy of discussion,
but ( IMHO ) in a seperate Topic and not here, thanks !

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: CAM on March 04, 2019, 12:51:12 AM
 Is UK DAB a subscription service or free?

I have SeriusXM radio which I pay a yearly subscription for but it offers a lot of music/sports/comedy/news channels and I prefer it over commercial free air stations. Main problem with it for me is reception as I live on a heavily treed island and reception drops in and out locally. When I travel on the mainland, reception is really good. I just wish I did not have to have a separate subscription for each vehicle.

Is there a similar service available in the UK or Europe?
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Coconut on March 04, 2019, 05:23:12 AM
Itís a free service.

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Coconut on March 16, 2019, 03:33:11 PM
Latest Antenna experiment using an Amplified DAB "T-Bar" type,
fixed onto a bracket alongside my Garmin Sat Nav.
 
Vertically mounted as DAB Radio signals are Vertically polarised ( apparently !  :087: ).

If it proves to be satisfactory the wiring will be tidied up and run into the back of the
Instrument Panel along with the Sat Nav cradle wiring.

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Grubloon on March 16, 2019, 06:07:48 PM
Coconut, is just you and I trying a variety of DAB aerials.  :084:

I have now gone for the shorter aerial on an alloy bracket but fully earthed as the earlier aerial on closer examination didn't look to be a full on DAB/FM aerial, compared to the one I have now fitted, the previous aerial dropped out quite a lot in areas where it should not of done.

So I have refitted the original Triumph unit, and fitted the new unit using the last aerial mounting point, now all I have to do is wait for the crabby weather to go away and I can see how it goes.

Will give it a good trial next weekend as I'm riding down to Devon with a mate to visit a couple of old friends who now live in North Devon.

Photo to follow.

Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Coconut on March 16, 2019, 06:16:57 PM
The weather is certainly a limiting factor !  :190:   :028:

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Coconut on March 17, 2019, 02:23:53 PM
Managed to get out for an hour or so today and am very pleased with the performance
of the new "T-Bar" Antenna  :152:  Just one drop-out in an area that has poor Signal strength,
and NO drop-outs in areas where the previously tested Antennas failed.

Did someone mention the weather ? -
It even worked well in the unexpected Hail storm I found myself riding through !

The bracket I mounted the antenna on is a simple strip of aluminium,
sandwiched between the Sat Nav Cradle, and the Sat Nav bracket,
and bent to fit around the side of the Sat Nav, with 4 holes
for the cable ties that secure the antenna body onto it.

I'd like to move the position further to the left side so it doesn't interfere
with the view of the Speedo, or the mirror view either,
so I'll keep experimenting with differnet brackets as I don't really want
to drill any extra holes in the Cockpit panels.

I'll post more information about the Antenna as soon as I hear back from the supplier,
with details of its price and where to buy etc, if anyone else wants to try it.

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Grubloon on March 17, 2019, 07:18:13 PM
As promised photo of my aerial fitting.

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Grubloon on March 17, 2019, 07:57:51 PM
Coconut, 

Do you have a big box of assorted Antenna's or a very obliging radio specialist who loans you different aerial to try.

The amplified unit you are trying out looks very promising, your note about the antenna being vertically polarised and therefore having to be mounted vertically seems to fly in the face DAB antennas that are stuck to car windscreens, as they run horizontally along the top of the screen, it's all getting a bit confusing.

I am having a similar problem with the DAB/FM radio I have fitted to my caravan, the van is fitted with a combination aerial, but the DAB radio only works intermittently, so I'm looking at fitting a separate DAB aerial. 

I'm hoping to try my aerial this week, with a couple of ride outs before my trip to Devon, having not done many miles this last year due to a mild stroke last May, but I'm back to health now, just got to get used to my crash helmet again, my neck is not as strong as it was with regular use. 

:046:

   
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Coconut on March 17, 2019, 08:34:31 PM
The first few attempts were with items I bought,
but I have since found a Supplier that is being very helpful.  :169:

The thing about the vertical polarisation was explained to me by someone
that knows wat they are talking about - compared to me - who doesn't ( on this subject ) !
The concept is proven though with the same T-Bar antenna which works very well
when mounted vertically, and poorly when mounted horizontally !

I have no idea how those car antennas stuck onto the inside of windscreens work !

Cheers  :821:

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Coconut on March 19, 2019, 10:08:07 AM
Antenna Update and purchasing information : ( posted with permission from Forum Admin ) :

First, please note that the antenna is not advertised as being weatherproof,  so I like the
mounting position behind the screen - where it is somewhat protected from rain, and I have
also carefully applied a little black silicone sealant to any areas where water might ingress.

The "T-Bar" antenna I used in the below Photographs,
can be purchased from "Bass Junkies", who have kindly offered our Forum Members
a £5.00 discount off the usual RRP of £24.99, making it £19.99 with free UK Shipping !  :152:

This is an "Active" Antenna, and should be connected to a suitable 12V Power supply.

Here's a Link to the product on their Web Site :

TA1 Stereo T-Bar DAB Amplified Active SMB Antenna (https://www.bassjunkies.com/dab-ta1.html)

There is a Forum Discount Code to use to get the £5.00 discount : TBARTT0

At present their Website is not configured to accept Discount Codes,
so make the purchase at the RRP, then send an email to : sales@bassjunkies.com
quoting the Discount Code and your Order number,
and £5.00 will be refunded to the payment method used.

In the below Photographs I have sprayed the bracket I made with Black Satin Hammerite,
so that it blends in with the surrounding cockpit panels.

If interested but unable to make your own bracket, let me know and I can probably help  :028:

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Cheers  :821:

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Grubloon on March 19, 2019, 02:45:01 PM
Coconut,

T Bar antenna ordered.  :152:

Looking at you mounting configuration, are you moving the antenna to a position behind your sat nav or is staying put for the time being, reason I ask is, could the antenna be mounted on a vertical mount, bolted behind the sat nav or would it be obtrusive, and also could some form of shrink wrap be out round the bits that are not water proof.   

Look forward to more experimentation.   :187: 


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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Coconut on March 19, 2019, 03:45:29 PM
There isn't room for it to be mounted to the rear of the Sat Nav as the Screen is in the way.

Using the position shown in the below Photo's, there is about a 5mm gap between
the top of the antenna and the insiode of the screen, when the screen is Parked.

Cheers  :821:

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Grubloon on March 19, 2019, 06:19:01 PM
Coconut,

Could the antenna be fixed to the screen, or is that a mount too far!   :084:

Will have a play when mine arrives.

 :821:
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Coconut on March 19, 2019, 06:46:44 PM
I suppose it "could" - It does have a self adhesive pad, but it sees to work best
when completely vertical, and stuck to the screen it wouldn't be.

You'd also have to work out how to run the cable without it getting trapped
and damaged as the Screen moves, and what to do if you have to remove
the Screen for any reason.

Cheers  :821:

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: 1215 on March 20, 2019, 01:53:14 AM
I have to praise the one known as 'Coconut'  :020: :020:
Great efforts
Great post
Great deal with Denison (order it quick if interested)
get it from Hungary before we have to pay tarrifs!!!!!!!! End of month!!
Superfast delivery ordered Sunday late afternoon delivered Tuesday Morning.
Also sourced a suitable aerial....(with discount) along with sugestions and tips for installing.
Very clear consice and most helpful info on fitting /operating.
If like some of us you are a bit of a 'muso' then it is worth a punt IMHO to go digital, loads more radio options/choice.

P.S.   UK/euro, only you already have more choice over the water !!
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Grubloon on March 27, 2019, 10:15:55 PM
Well, test day tomorrow, I have fitted a new amplified antenna, a 200 mile ride to Devon, will see how it goes.

Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Coconut on March 29, 2019, 07:51:45 PM
Antenna update :

With grateful thanks to another Forum Member - Vansflyer,
who knows a thing or two about "Radio", we did some testing
using his specialist test rig, with some interesting results.

The stock Trophy AM / FM antenna doesn't pick up the DAB Spectrum,
so even with an Amplified Splitter - there isn't much of a signal to split !

The Stubby antenna with BNC connector that I mentioned in a previous post
does pick up the upper end of the DAB Frequency spectrum,
but not all of it, so will inevitably not pick up some DAB Staions in some areas.

The most recent version of Amplified DAB Antenna - mentioned below from "Bass Junkies"
picks up the complete DAB Spectrum. 
When powered the Signal strength is considerably better than when it is not powered.

Strangely we found that it can make a slight difference in reception depending on which way up
the antenna is held, but this seems to vary depending on it's mounting position.

On an aluminium bracket fixed alongside the Garmin Sat Nav,
the Signal wasn't as good as I had hoped, and the best position we found
was mounted vertically onto the black plastic panel below the Sat Nav bracket, 
with the bottom end of the antenna above the triangular Triumph badge,
even though it is not completely vertical there, and is leaning back in line with the panel.

I've mounted it using "3M Dual Locks" for now so I can reposition it a little if needed.

Photo's to follow when I get chance !

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: digital on March 29, 2019, 10:04:08 PM
I carry is installed. I took out the amplifier and put it behind the mirror and the antenna rod was put in place of the original.

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: 1215 on March 30, 2019, 12:00:35 AM
Trial run tomorow(sat) as fitted with avery basic (temporary) magmount dedicated DAB aerial onto a small plate bolted into mirror mount hole on h/bar nearside. Good sounds and OK reception whilst staionary on yard. We will see in  t' mornin.
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: 1215 on March 31, 2019, 07:03:05 PM
Well Test run was fine with little mag mount...version 1.0 onto a bolt in redundant wing mirror hole with loads of tie wraps for backup
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Rode a regular route and LESS drop outs than in my Van with similar mag mount on roof!!

Made a bit neater job today ....version 2.0 less tie wraps :001: :001: and will continue to use as a temp setup until I decide upon probably the same route as Coconut.... amplified behind the screen.

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many thanks to all for their input.
Cheers,    Mike.
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Grubloon on March 31, 2019, 08:23:23 PM
Fitted my Bass Junkies amplified antenna last week, as Coconut, I fitted mine on the front panel, but a little bit to one side of the Triumph badge, my trip to Devon, was mainly A roads from South Manchester to Torrington, a short stretch of motorway over the Severn bridge and down too Taunton, then over Exmoor.

For the first 50 miles all went well, no drop outs and clear reception, after that the next 50 miles, there were a number of drop out ranging from 1 or 2 seconds to a few minutes, once into Somerset then Devon the drop outs became longer until it sounded like I was listening to planet rock through a barrel of water, there was a lot interference also, it got so bad I switched it off.

Coconut, did you fit the antenna power supply wire too the Dension unit using the plug supplied, or a power pickup from elsewhere, the next question is, does the antenna's vertical orientation, have a north/south polarity, by that I mean does the antenna work better if the wires that enter it, go in on the left side with the antenna vertical or the right side, or it doesn't matter.

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Coconut on March 31, 2019, 08:31:16 PM
I used a seperate Ignition Switched Power Supply.

When testing the Antenna with my friend's Test Rig there was a slight difference,
with slightly better Reception when the cable was entering from the right -
if looking at the side of the body opposite to and without the adhesive pad.

I suspect what has happened is that the part of the Country you travelled through,
and the roads you were on, meant that the Signal was being broadcast from behind you,
and being masked by the bike and you. 

That theory could be tested by travelling the same route in the opposite direction !

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Grubloon on March 31, 2019, 09:06:01 PM
Coconut,

Your supposition could be spot on, as I came home today, straight up the M5, M6 and the clarity of planet rock was a lot better, but it did still drop out in places, also the FM radio was a lot clearer on the motorway.

As for the antenna, mine is fitted with the wire on the left side of the antenna looking at it head on, I took the sticky pad of and replaced it with some velcro cut to shape, and I connected the power supply wire to the DAB unit using the supplied plug, that could be another problem, the DAB unit not supplying enough power too the antenna.

My friend who lives in Torrington, travels a lot around Devon with his job, advised me that Devon especially on the moors has a poor DAB reception, along with mobile phone reception, so that could also be another factor for poor radio reception.

Will get there eventually. 

Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Grubloon on April 25, 2019, 07:48:37 PM
Further news on my DAB aerial, turned the antenna round so that the polarity was as yours Coconut, had a ride up to the lakes, reception of Plant rock was good no drop outs, then some dropping out and finally lost planet rock just past Lancaster on the M6.

Retuned to radio 2 and had perfect reception, right into Hawkshead, and then the odd drop out going towards Ambleside, then along some narrow roads towards the Wrynose/Hardknock passes more drop outs, and then no signal from the base of the Wrynose pass and across the Hardknock pass.

Thats when the test ended as my Cardo Scala unit battery died, so a silent ride across the rest of Eskdale back to the M6 and home.
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Coconut on April 25, 2019, 08:20:17 PM
Thanks for the report Grubloon  :028:

Another update from me - still experimenting !

I tried a second antenna on top of the Top Box, non amplified,
and with a Magnetic base but used some 3M Dual Locks to hold it there,
which also makes it removable when the Top Box is removed.

I connected this using a Tee adapter so both antennae were connected to the Dension DAB+U,
and then found out that when the Sat Nav ( Garmin 595 ) was powered up,
it caused the DAB Radio to lose it's signal.  :157:

Disconnecting the front ( amplified ) antenna and just using the Top Box
antenna the Radio does not lose it's signal when the Sat Nav is turned on,
so that position behind the Screen and below the Sat Nav is obviously prone to interference !

Need to get out and experiment on coverage with just the Top Box mounted version now !

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: 1215 on April 26, 2019, 01:51:59 PM
Just a bit of an update on my DAB setup.
The cheapie magmount from Halfords seems to be exceptional all around my regular haunts.
Have had a couple of long rideouts over easter, first all over north & east yorkshire  224 miles, second around the Dales 245 miles door to door (a bit of 2 wheel filming with a well known tv bike personality!!)
Coverage on both trips was I would guess 90% Great with the real problem area amongst the little lanes of the Dales, this area looses most signal FM AM Dab alike.
Local rides I do regularly East coast  Scarboro, Brid ,Whitby and over to York are great with only the Rare occasional ''Loss of signal'' message from the nice lady!!!
Generally Mega Happy with the setup including the mag mount  on the bars.
Tempted when the urge hits me to try the topbox location, (aerial lead was easily long enough) and or a small bracket on fairing at opposite side to standard twig, as I say when I can be a**ed.
Absolutely chuffed to have Planet rock all the time I am out,   
Cheers,    Mike.
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Vansflyer on April 26, 2019, 03:00:31 PM
Interesting... When we connected the Spectrum up the antenna on Coconuts bike the GPS made no difference to the signal from memory. Have you fixed that dodgy connector Alan? You can't always just "join" antenna cables as it can screw the impedance up...
From memory I suggested the top box location as the best some time ago  :164: :164: :164: :164: :001: Don't forget you will need a ground plane for it to work the best it can. Do the top covers come off the topbox? If so maybe a sliver of metal could be fitted underneath for the mag mount to stick to? I think if I was to go down that route and really wanted the best Dab signal I would drill a hole in the topbox and screw one down with a ground plane in the box. Fit some Fakra connectors under the seat if it need to be removed and job done, maybe buy a spare tobbox lid for when I sold it.
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Coconut on April 26, 2019, 06:28:41 PM
That "Dodgy" cable was binned the same day !

To connect the two Antennae, I used an SMB Tee connector.

You did indeed suggest that location - my reason for trying it.  :152:

The coloured Lid "can" be removed, but the Magnet of the Antenna I have isn't very strong
and probably wouldn't hold through the Plastic onto a steel sheet fixed to the underside,
hence using the Dual Locks, but it may be worth experimenting with some sheet foil
under there to improve the reception even more ?
 
I will need to schedule another session sometime with the Spectrum  :028:

Cheers  :821:

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Vansflyer on April 26, 2019, 06:47:14 PM
I think the T antenna split may not help, we should meter before and "after". If you can measure the resistance with one and then both aerial connected, this will confirm if the impedance is being reduced.  The sheet wont work unless it is connected to the base of the antenna by magnet or physical contact.
Attached is a ground plane fitted to a plane with a plastic fuselage a mate owns, it's for a transponder but you will get the idea. Doesn't actually need to be that big... Do you have a powered Topbox? In theory you could make the whole bike the ground plane by tagging onto the neutral wire in the topbox. This isn't perfect as it loads the aerial with a better direction angle pointing one way but better than nothing. The issue you will have is connecting that wire neatly from the outside inside... The best answer is a drill and screw the thing on with a proper ground plane inside, must be some s/hand topboxes around?
Lets meet on a Monday evening to discuss  :001:
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Coconut on April 26, 2019, 07:05:46 PM
:028:  :821:  :169:

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Grubloon on April 28, 2019, 09:45:01 AM

Have read the comments made by Vansflyer, re the metal plate and top box mounting, my question is what size, thickness and metal type can be used as the ground plane, also if one used the bike as the ground plane, could a wire bolted to a good earth point be suitable.

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Vansflyer on April 28, 2019, 11:04:39 AM
Read the wiki article on ground planes and it explains it quite well. Basically you need a pice of conducting metal in theory 1/4 wave size or more of the frequency you are receiving/ transmitting on.
Look here for an example.
https://lxavionics.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=265&search=Ground+plane&description=true
That is quite expensive for what it is, in theory you could use Ali strip on a roll in an X or + shape in the topbox lid. Done this before in a plane and it worked well. You can ground to the bike but it's won't give a balanced view of reception but better than nothing for sure. Hence my comment about trying it connected to the neg lead if you have power in the topbox. Bear in mind the antenna will need a ground connection if it is powered unless it uses the Dab units ground, which it might. The T bar Coconut was using must use the neg of the supplying device as it is "stick on".The windscreen Dab aerials connect to the windscreen surround to make the ground plane, have one in my old car and it works remarkably well. This propagation stuff can get quite complicated....
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Grubloon on April 28, 2019, 02:00:18 PM
Vansflyer,
This DAB radio malarkey is more complicate than I thought, but I will stick with it, thanks for the info.

 :084:  :187:   
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: thogland on April 28, 2019, 05:47:57 PM
*Originally Posted by Grubloon [+]
Vansflyer,
This DAB radio malarkey is more complicate than I thought, but I will stick with it, thanks for the info.

 :084:  :187:
It's not too bad - as a HAM I picked up enough to figure this stuff out. Looks like DAB broadcasts on about 225Mhz, which is a 1.3m wavelength. Your ground plane needs to "stick out" from the antenna base 1/4 of that length - 33 cm. (Looking at the pictures, it appears that's what the antenna shown is - 1/4 wave.)

Tough to get that much length on the top box, even with the antenna dead-center. But, one way would be to pull the shell off the top case, put wires that long in a "X" corner to corner. The curve doesn't help things, but it's better than not having anything. Maybe make them 34cm instead, to help offset the curve.

More ground plane is better, but two sticking out opposite works. Having the "four corners" of the top box to play with is convenient. If you put it at the front edge of the top box, and ran two diagonally to the rear corners, it'd still be better than nothing.

Another option, if you want to replace your current FM antenna with this DAB one - put it in the original location, then put one ground plane sideways across the nose inside the fairing. Maybe even a second one pointed back towards the battery. Should give decent reception.

(Side-note fun fact: Ever wonder why all car radio antennas are the same length, or used to be? It's because FM radio is in the 3m band, and 75cm is the ideal practical length. My truck has a much shorter antenna - to receive both FM and XM - and uses electronic wizardry to selectively filter and amplify as needed.)

You can get WAY involved in wave propagation theory if you get too deep into this. Enough to know how to find the frequency band (easy to find references online), then your antenna will ideally be the same length. Since in this case putting a 1.3m antenna on the Trophy is clearly not possible, then you halve it - 65cm (a "half wave" antenna). Might be possible, but still tough, so halve it again to 1/4 wave - 33cm. Now this is doable.  :001:  Going shorter than 1/4 wave doesn't work as well without electronic assistance.

Oh, and if you have a 2m or 3m antenna cable, don't cut it or tie it in a tight little bundle - coil it up in a circle. There's interactions between antenna length and cable length, cable length and cable resistance, etc. and coiling it neatly in about a 10cm circle will minimize all of that.
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Grubloon on April 28, 2019, 06:41:37 PM
So, if I've understood your reply correctly thogland, a car roof acts as a ground plane, and the antenna can be quite small, as on my car like a small sharks fin.

So ideally a top box lid of light steel would do the job, but that is not very practical.

Your note about not shortening the antenna lead was something I knew about, so I always just long looped the lead along the rear of the frame, your note about coiling it into a 10cm circle, is it imperative that this is done, as it would be a bit of a pain to do.

Will do a bit more reading to try and understand this subject a bit more.

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: digital on March 26, 2020, 07:42:30 PM
If you allow me, I am going to open this topic because I find it very interesting!

I start by saying that there is also the possibility of installing a DAB + FM and AM signal mixer amplifier.

And take the opportunity to ask that those who installed this system in the United Kingdom, how are they doing?

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Coconut on March 26, 2020, 07:52:58 PM
I tried one of those - it did not get very good Reception.

I think the main problem is with the Ground Plane side as the Antenna
is mounted on a plastic panel, and uses a Fly Lead to connect to the Chassis of the Trophy
which works OK for FM & AM Radio signals, but not so well for the UK DAB Radio signals.

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: digital on March 26, 2020, 08:25:18 PM
When I took a DTT course, DAB was discussed. DAB is a system that transmits the signal in BIII. It is important that because they are digital signals, and although it is true that it is more robust than the analog signal. (It is more delicate). So that in order to avoid cuts (pixelated), they have a good earth-connected mass.

Coconut is very right. Certainly in our motorcycles the antenna is attached to the plastic, not directly to the chassis of the motorcycle.

In a car, the antenna does go directly to the vehicle sheet and this makes a mirror effect. As the vehicle runs down the road, the asphalt itself helps it pick up signal. It does not matter how fast the vehicle is going.

Also how good is the DAB system. Apart from digital quality. It is that as we circulate on the roads and pass through radiant television and radio repeaters, the DAB system automatically changes channels without the station we have tuned in, has disappeared. This, those of you who have DAB tuners will have been seeing it.
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Grubloon on March 27, 2020, 10:15:55 AM
I have been thinking about the problem of the poor ground plane a trophy has, and have come across a lightweight aluminium sheet, it's called Litho plate and is used in printing, used plates are used by rc model aircraft builders, it is very malleable and very thin, around 0.25mm thick, and it's A4 paper size, so could a sheet be used between the top box cover and inner cover with a DAB antenna bolted through it, or would the plastic cover screen the plate, rendering it useless.

As an aside if it is viable, it could be moulded to fit inside the fairing were the standard trophy antenna is fitted, assuming so long as the sheet remains whole, and adds around 2 or 3 grams of weight.   :084:

Also I have used a antenna splitter on my Caravan radio and that does seem to work ok.
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: digital on March 27, 2020, 10:49:04 AM
I would need a DAB + U to do the necessary tests.

I have been sending emails to Ivan de Densio to ask about the DAB + U.
Answer that I would keep the discount price.

For the towns near the city of Barcelona there is little DAB coverage (almost nothing) For Barcelona city, yes, so I could try it well.

The photo I put yesterday is a mixer (diplexer + amplifier), it is highly recommended that for the DAB signal, if a vehicle is to be moved from one side to the other, this signal must be amplified.
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: digital on March 27, 2020, 11:08:40 AM
The European Union prepares the analogue blackout of the radio. A new directive will compel car manufacturers to implement the digital signal in all the new models launched from 2021, offering a transition period for DAB + radio to become part of the standard equipment.
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: digital on March 28, 2020, 12:13:01 AM
I have ordered the DAB + U. I have got a very good price.

When I have it at my disposal I will do all the necessary tests with my measuring devices. Spectrum analyzers and field meters.

Ivan makes me via these files:

How_to_Config_DAB_U.txt
dbu_K201.cfg

The txt is the manual for its configuration and to indicate how to insert the file with the .cfg extension with the pc.

Is it correct or does it need some other file to put it into operation?
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: digital on March 28, 2020, 12:35:40 AM
By the way, I have also ordered the CONNECTOR PORT FOR DAB + U, since I cannot pass without listening to my favorite songs recorded on a USB memory.

The idea is to install the DAB + U inside the music box (no, I know, I don't know if something else would enter). Hahaha. Then, right next to it, I will insert the diplexer / amplifier, taking advantage of the antenna that now enters the radio equipment.

The antenna input will enter the diplexer input and the two diplexer outputs, one will enter DAB + U and the other FM output will enter the radio equipment, the independent dis outputs will be amplified.

The PORT OF THE CONNECTOR FOR DAB + U will incorporate it inside the storage box and I will have it at hand to be able to change the pendrive.

The antenna I already own already covers the BIII + FM bands, so I already have some work in advance.
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Grubloon on March 28, 2020, 08:37:22 AM
Digital,

The DAB unit will fit in the box where the radio is fitted, but the box that fits on top of the radio has to be removed or as I have done, cut it in half and fitted a new base to it, not sure if the splitter will fit in as well, as there is not a lot of space above the radio unit.

I have also got a connector port fitted, I have put mine in the glove box in the fairing, I made some spacers from modelers plastic tube and some long screws and fitted it onto one side of the glove box, switch is easy to use but fitting sub stick a bit of a circle but once fitted stays in place no problem.

Will put some pictures on tomorrow.



Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: GarminDave on March 28, 2020, 09:22:28 AM
I have just read all 14 pages of this thread and think it is wonderful.  The Forum working together for the common good for all those lucky enough to own a Triumph Trophy SE.

It does remind me of the Fisher Space Pen story!  https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fact-or-fiction-nasa-spen/ (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fact-or-fiction-nasa-spen/).

My 'pencil' solution is to use my iPhone XS Max for Radio, also for Waze Navigation, communication, tracking, photos, hotel booking etc; you get the idea.  Mind my iPhone is some pencil.

Anyway thank you all for sharing and if anyone needs my FM Trophy original equipment radio then it's yours!

I'm getting a little stir crazy through COVID-19 isolation so will attempt to clean all the crud from my brakes today.

Thanks to all fellow Forum members for your good humour and valuable in-depth knowledge of everything Trophy related.
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: digital on March 28, 2020, 09:39:31 AM
Thanks to you and people like you who follow the great professionals in this forum every day.

I am very surprised by the people here who, without having knowledge, are not afraid to put into practice anything that benefits other Trophy holders.

Also, I take this opportunity to say that I see day by day how Coconut does not mind disassembling parts of his motorcycle to take photos and explain in detail what is related to the subject by speaking.

That deserves strong applause.  :047: :047: :047:
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: digital on March 28, 2020, 10:17:58 AM
*Originally Posted by Grubloon [+]
Digital,

The DAB unit will fit in the box where the radio is fitted, but the box that fits on top of the radio has to be removed or as I have done, cut it in half and fitted a new base to it, not sure if the splitter will fit in as well, as there is not a lot of space above the radio unit.

I have also got a connector port fitted, I have put mine in the glove box in the fairing, I made some spacers from modelers plastic tube and some long screws and fitted it onto one side of the glove box, switch is easy to use but fitting sub stick a bit of a circle but once fitted stays in place no problem.

Will put some pictures on tomorrow.

No, if I removed the lid years ago. It would be impossible to put all that with her.

At the beginning of the installation of things I had the cables well ordered, but when you add things and more things, the order of so much cable is lost. Thank goodness I am making my own wiring diagrams and peripherals that I have been installing.

Those cables are a minimal part of what this bike carries.

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Coconut on March 28, 2020, 11:07:01 AM
digital :

You're Photo makes me think I should have Spaghetti for my dinner today !  :745:

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: digital on March 28, 2020, 12:00:57 PM
Well, since we are prohibited from leaving the house, I cannot stand.

So I have got to work on this topic.

Coconut, the first thing we have to do is look for another type of support that has mass to the chassis, as you can see, this one has no mass, so it is useless to put plates or anything like that.

Another thing that I have observed is that the antenna cable that goes from the antenna to the sound equipment. It has an impedance between its mass and positive (signal connection) 25 and 40 ohms it fluctuates between the quoted impedances.

Therefore in my case I will pass a new line with RG58 cable.

(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/IMG_20200328_125216.jpg)
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: digital on March 28, 2020, 12:03:28 PM
*Originally Posted by Coconut [+]
digital :

You're Photo makes me think I should have Spaghetti for my dinner today !  :745:

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 :008: :745: :008:

Coconut, please, I looked at the last thing I wrote
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: 1215 on March 28, 2020, 02:46:01 PM
Just my 2 penneth.....
have I stumbled across the ground mass issue by mounting a magmount twig to a plate bolted to the handlebars. There is a very good mass with this fixing and my DAB reception is mostly brilliant everywhere and only drops off in known bad reception areas.

(See pictures on page 11 of this link)

PLUS one on the spaghetti for tea!!!!!
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: digital on March 28, 2020, 03:41:35 PM
(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/IMG_20200328_162424.jpg)

I have found this diplexer / amplifier by my laboratory.

So I already have work to test, I will use my old DAB radio that I had installed in my Trophy.

The amp has a gain of 15dB in DAB and 13dB in FM and a noise figure of 2dB in DAB and 3.5dB in FM.

Being made in Germany, the signal gain is real. If it was Chinese-made, it couldn't say the same.
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: digital on March 28, 2020, 09:10:31 PM
First stage:

Creation of anti-radiant mass sheet.

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(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/IMG_20200328_220209.jpg)

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: digital on March 29, 2020, 12:19:22 PM
Second stage:

Anti-radiation dough sheet, painted
(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/IMG_20200329_125956.jpg)

Preparations to build valum type impedance adapter
(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/IMG_20200329_130031.jpg)

Impedance adapter finished
(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/IMG_20200329_105653.jpg)

(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/IMG_20200329_130105.jpg)

Welded cable from the impedance adapter to the anti-radiant plate and attached to a ground cable to the chassis.
(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/IMG_20200329_130226.jpg)

(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/IMG_20200329_130155.jpg)

Instruments part of my laboratory
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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: digital on March 29, 2020, 12:43:36 PM
Anxious to test the system. I couldn't contain myself before the lady calls me to eat.

So I have connected the direct antenna without the impedance adapter, yes with its anti-radiant plate and mounted antenna. I have tuned into a station with a poor signal and it listens with interference.

Say I'm also in a bad signal zone.

Well, I have connected the wire of the impedance adapter plate to the chassis of the motorcycle and the interferences have been eliminated.

Then it was time to test the impedance adapter, so I plugged it in and it has improved the signal considerably, totally clean and somewhat louder sound.

The test has been with FM stations and still without amplification. That will remain for the third stage that I will prepare to introduce the Band III DAB signal.
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: digital on March 29, 2020, 06:09:50 PM
(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/antena_dab.png)

(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/espejo_valum.png)

(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/dab_pruebas.png)

Third stage:

DAB stations tuned, here at home I never managed to tune DAB stations.

When I had this same receiver installed in the Trophy, it already had a built-in antenna amplifier.

As you can see in the power signal level, they are two stripes, considering that I live in a very poor (very bad) DAB signal reception signal and at this moment the motorcycle is parked indoors.
(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/emisora_dab.png)

For the moment I leave the stages finished until the DAB + U arrives, since I can not just test with the bike running.

I hope that with this little tutorial you have kept them entertained these days of confinement in their homes.

Thanks for being there!!!.
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: digital on March 29, 2020, 06:20:32 PM
Say that the antenna is multiband that covers the frequencies of AM, FM and DAB.

It is clear that the DAB signal reception system. At least in my case, it is not enough with passive systems, if not, active and it is necessary to put an amplifier and the more gain and low noise level. Best!!!
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: earthman on March 29, 2020, 09:06:17 PM
*Originally Posted by digital [+]
Instruments part of my laboratory
(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/IMG_20200329_101831.jpg)

Wow, I'm jealous, why do you have so many oscilloscopes?  :002:
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: digital on March 29, 2020, 09:10:26 PM
That is only part of it.

They are necessary measuring devices for my work.
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: earthman on March 29, 2020, 09:19:29 PM
*Originally Posted by digital [+]
That is only part of it.

They are necessary measuring devices for my work.

I'm guessing that you can't just buy one oscilloscope that's capable of giving you a reading on everything then?
Is it just down to the range that each scope provides? Some may not go down or high enough for example??
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: digital on March 29, 2020, 09:28:04 PM
Here another small part. The rest I do not take photos because now it is very messy.

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: digital on March 29, 2020, 09:37:59 PM
*Originally Posted by earthman [+]
I'm guessing that you can't just buy one oscilloscope that's capable of giving you a reading on everything then?
Is it just down to the range that each scope provides? Some may not go down or high enough for example??

No, it should be an oscilloscope with many megabytes and would only be used for one purpose.

In the photo there is only one oscilloscope, the one on the right and just above the spectrum analyzer.

The two in the lower left are field meters and the one above is a frequency analyzer.
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: earthman on March 29, 2020, 09:54:00 PM
*Originally Posted by digital [+]
No, it should be an oscilloscope with many megabytes and would only be used for one purpose.

In the photo there is only one oscilloscope, the one on the right and just above the spectrum analyzer.

The two in the lower left are field meters and the one above is a frequency analyzer.

Would you recommended a particular one just to work on a range of modern vehicles with a 12V/5V system?

Depending on cost, I'm thinking that investing in such an oscilloscope maybe useful in the future. :002:
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: digital on March 29, 2020, 09:58:08 PM
Well, it depends on what you want to do to work.

Now you have me intrigued !!!  :084:

What exactly do you want to do or measure?
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: digital on March 29, 2020, 10:01:53 PM
There are sound waves, ocean waves, brain waves, and of course, voltage waves. An oscilloscope measures the latter. A cycle is the smallest part of the wave that repeats over time. A waveform is the graphic representation of a wave.
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: digital on March 29, 2020, 10:09:50 PM
Since these days I will be locked up at home, I will try to turn on the oscilloscope and the spectrum analyzer, insert the impedance adapter that I made today for the FM + DAB antenna and take some photos for you to see how they work.
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: earthman on March 29, 2020, 10:26:47 PM
*Originally Posted by digital [+]
Well, it depends on what you want to do to work.

Now you have me intrigued !!!  :084:

What exactly do you want to do or measure?

Nothing in particular at present, just seen others use one to pin point a CAN bus/data issue for example.
 
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: digital on March 29, 2020, 11:01:38 PM
For what you comment it is complicated and it is necessary to have knowledge of electronics, as well as the electronic diagrams of what you are going to measure and check, unless you know the operation of an oscilloscope and they give you everything you have to check with a step by step tutorial.

I tell you all this because the oscilloscopes, the ideal is to have one (double channel, wave) and they are usually very expensive.

So I don't know if it would be profitable, I don't know, I don't know.
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: digital on March 29, 2020, 11:18:40 PM
A question for the gentlemen who already have the DAB + U installed ...

Does that DAB + U receiver require an additional 12 volt power supply?

I think not. I understand that it only works with 5 volts USB.

I need to make sure because I have to prepare the voltage of the diplexer / amplifier and, if necessary, consume energy for DAB + U. I would take the opportunity.
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Coconut on March 30, 2020, 09:10:44 AM
The main DAB+U unit does not need it's own power supply, it uses the USB connection.

I do not know about the separate Connector Port as I do not have that.

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: digital on March 30, 2020, 09:52:48 AM
Thanks coco.

I assumed you used the voltage through the USB connection. I needed confirmation

From what I have seen and read the USB connector of the Mp3 adapter, it is connected by USB to the DAB + U and the DIN-like connector is also connected between both devices. Then the voltage is shared between the two devices.

To be able to listen to Mp3 music, all you have to do is insert the USB memory into the USB connection of the adapter.
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: digital on March 31, 2020, 11:03:55 PM
earthman, here are the graphs taken with the double trace oscilloscope and I also take advantage and show the spectrum analyzer.

The blue color graph is measured at the input of the impedance adapter and the yellow color is measured at the output of the impedance adapter.

Note that at the output of the impedance adapter (yellow color), the signal is cleaner, so it will be better to introduce it into an amplifier. Hence, there is a noticeable improvement in signal.

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(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/doble_trazo_ruido.png)

(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/osciloscopio_analizador.png)

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: digital on April 01, 2020, 11:02:17 AM
I have to say I was surprised by the speed of transportation. Considering that due to issue COVID-19. It is certainly also true that the roads are now free of traffic.

DAB + U left the UK yesterday afternoon and arrived home today at 11:00.
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: 1215 on April 02, 2020, 11:36:45 AM
Some of us definitely have 'TOO MUCH TIME ON OUR HANDS'  :001: :001:
great work digital, even if a bit over my head!!! :002: :002:
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: digital on April 02, 2020, 12:17:30 PM
*Originally Posted by 1215 [+]
Some of us definitely have 'TOO MUCH TIME ON OUR HANDS'  :001: :001:
great work digital, even if a bit over my head!!! :002: :002:

Thanks 1215.

Once I have received DAB + U.

I noticed that the DAB + U. It is low sensitivity and there was no way to start it.

I contacted Coconut privately in case something was wrong.

As expected. Coconut provided the setup instructions and also tube the detail to record a real-time video of how you could set it up.

"When I grow up I want to be like coconut." What a great person Coconut is.

According to the indications he gave me, he was doing well and we both concluded that the problem is the reception of the DAB signal.

So today I got to work with signal reception.

I have temporarily injected him with a DAD BIII antenna. The one seen in the photo. Everything worked on the first try.

Therefore, the DAB + U is of low sensitivity and this means that we must look for a type of antenna that has a high level of reception. I won't stop until I find this solution!

PS: With the DAB receiver I did several tests last week and manufactured the impedance adapter. With that I had no reception problem. It must be of high sensitivity. I bought it in China Hahaha.

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Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: digital on April 03, 2020, 12:42:24 AM
Another afternoon of work !!!

I have already installed and finished the installation of the DAB + U and also the adapter port for DAB + U.

I have inserted the DAB + U and the adapter port for DAB + U inside the box of the radio equipment and to change from DAB to USB (pendrive) I do it through a button from the instrument panel or by the remote control and I control them both remotely by remote control (wireless RF transmitters).

DAB + U interior
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DAB + U port adapter (not yet modified)
(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/CONNECTOR_PORT_FOR_DABU.png)

DAB + U port adapter DAB+USB (not yet modified)
(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/interior_conector_puerto_dabu.png)

DAB +U port adapter USB (Discarded switch)
(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/sesechado_interruptor.png)

Soldered wires instead of the switch
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DAB + U port connector finished
(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/CONNECTOR_PORT_FOR_DABU_terminado.png)

Relays Inside Wireless RF Transmitter
(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/Interior_transmisor_RF_inalambrico.png)

Wired in the wireless RF transmitter
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Wireless RF transmitter remote control
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Changed through remote control in DAB mode
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Changed through remote control in USB (mp3) mode
(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/estampado_usb.png)
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: digital on April 03, 2020, 12:54:36 AM
This weekend I want to do some tests with another type of DAB antenna and with another type of amplifier (without diplexer) the idea would be to work with independent antennas and since the DAB system is not immune to interference, I want to move the antenna away from the place of where it is located. Too many peripherals next to the antenna, switchboard, lights, turn signals, immobilizer, etc.

So, I will test on top of the TopCase, I will gain height, clearer and will be away from possible interference.
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Eloteq on April 05, 2020, 10:41:13 AM
Hi digital. Iíve loved reading this thread.

After fitting a radio Iím now fitting the Dension Dab U under the seat and running the USB lead to the front connection.  I have a few questions you will know the answer:-

1. What does the Dension adapter port do and why canít I use a Heschen relay to swap over the connections of the USB power & data. What does it do? Why is it needed.

2. What aerial and ground setup is best to start with. (I havenít purchased my DAB aerial yet).

3. Iíve seen many powered roof mount dual fm/dab aerials but they are fixed at 70 degrees, does anybody know the angle of the Trophy aerial: the mount looks angle so believe 70 degrees may work.

Keep up the good work and excellent input. 


*Originally Posted by digital [+]
Another afternoon of work !!!

I have already installed and finished the installation of the DAB + U and also the adapter port for DAB + U......
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: digital on April 05, 2020, 12:34:44 PM
Eloteq, for the moment answered the first question.

The USB port is necessary to continue listening to the USB flash drive, without having to disconnect the USB cable to switch from one mode to another.

I explain how I did it:
The DAB + U and the USB port adapter, I put it under the seat (inside the stereo box).

Then pass a USB cable (male to male) from DAB + U and I have connected it to the glove box USB connector. but ... I took the connector out of the glove box and put it underneath, between the glove box and resting in the fuel tank.

Therefore, there are no cables inside the glove box.

Then, from the port adapter, a harness with a DIN type connector comes out (included with the USB port) and enters the DAB + U.

Now on the DAB + U there is an empty USB input and this is where I insert the mp3 USB flash drive.

I have discarded the switch from the USB port and now I have installed two change options, by a button from the front of the motorcycle or by a remote control, both by remote control that actuates the relays.
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: digital on April 05, 2020, 01:49:24 PM
A small preview of how the work is going:

(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/IMG_20200405_144100.jpg)

(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/IMG_20200405_143921.jpg)

(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/IMG_20200405_144331.jpg)
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: digital on April 05, 2020, 02:16:36 PM
Eloteq, regarding the second question. To choose one antenna or another. It is related to the signal in the area.

So I have checked with this topic. It is very clear that an antenna covering 100x100 DAB frequencies is necessary and the longer the antenna (the greater the signal gain it will have) the better !!!

The BIII channels, if I remember correctly, go from channel 5 to channel 12 and the frequencies of the Digital Radio DAB Band III (Channels 5 - 11) = 174 MHz - 220 MHz (VHF).

Therefore, the antenna must cover those frequencies.
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: digital on April 05, 2020, 02:30:45 PM
Eloteq answered the third and last question. Hahaha.

From my experience, I can say that the angle of inclination of an antenna in a vehicle is not important.

There are people who place the antenna completely vertical in the TTSE and others, as in my case, always have it completely folded, I would say that it is at 45 į, at the moment the vehicle moves, that is useless.

Please note that these are not directive signals focused on the antennas directly to a sending center.

Therefore, do not solve this problem, since the signal that is radiated in the antenna comes from the radio emitting centers and they are circular, the antenna picks up the signal by its 360 į.
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: digital on April 06, 2020, 10:12:42 AM
At this point I finish the job of receiving the DAB signal.

Considering that here, there is hardly any DAB signal ...

With the antenna and dipole that I have built, at least the DAB signal remains stable at home.

(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/IMG_20200406_102932.jpg)

(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/IMG_20200405_143921.jpg)

Spain is broadcasting a radio signal in Digital Audio Broadcasting, better known as DAB. And very few know it. And less, they listen to it. But it is issued with twenty percent coverage, focused on Madrid and Barcelona, ​​through two issuing centers, TorrespaŮa and Collserola, respectively. More and more new vehicles are incorporating DAB technology into their radio receiver equipment, and their technological evolution, the DAB +, is much more efficient. And I have already met some followers of this website who tell me their surprise when, when messing around, they discover the digital terrestrial radio signal -the famous DAB-, the same one that Europe has adopted as a norm, and that is being developed in our closest neighbors, such as Germany, Italy or France, not to mention Great Britain, where coverage exceeds 99 percent, and penetration 51 percent.

As I am locked up at home now I cannot prove more ...

I live in a town 35 km from Barcelona.

When I go back to work in Barcelona I will be able to see the result, since in the city there is more signal coming from the issuing center located in the same city.
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: Eloteq on April 06, 2020, 11:19:46 AM
Thanks for the help.

And great work by the way.

Itís really interesting what youíve done.

*Originally Posted by digital [+]
Eloteq answered the third and last question. Hahaha.

Fro....
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: digital on April 06, 2020, 11:56:54 AM
Thank you for stopping by here daily.

It is the least I can do to avoid mistakes.

Before starting, check everything well and if you have any questions, you have me at your disposal.
Title: Re: DAB Digital Radio (UK ) for the Trophy SE with Forum Discount Offe
Post by: digital on April 23, 2020, 11:43:42 PM
Today I was able to go out running errands and I was able to test the dipole antenna system that I made for him, despite the fact that the DAB emissions here are very low.

The signal held up pretty well ...