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Main Trophy Boards => Lighting, Electrical, and Wiring => Topic started by: Coconut on August 12, 2019, 01:16:03 PM

Title: Front Daytime Running Lights
Post by: Coconut on August 12, 2019, 01:16:03 PM
Prompted by another Forum Member ( Cheers Wilko ! ) I bought some
"LED Switchback DRL Indicators", from eBay, and wired them up.
( Search eBay for "LED Switchback" and they should come up - usually from China though  :159: )

(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/LED-DRL-Switchbacks.jpg)

I'm all for making myself as visible as possible to others,
without going "over the top" and I really like these .....

In essence they are dual colour LED's, or "2 in 1" LED's,
used in place of the original Indicator bulbs, where the White LED's are ON permanently,
like the Stock Position Light, ( although I have them wired through a separate switch -
so I can choose whether to have them ON or OFF ), and as soon as the Indicator switch
is operated, the White light switches off on that side, and the Amber LED flashes on that side.

These Photos shows a comparison of the Stock "Postion" Light,
the small Bullet LED DRL's I had previously fitted,
and the new "Switchback" DRL Indicators :

(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/Trophy-Additional-Lighting.jpg)

The new LED's are quite bright, and make the front end much more visible in the daytime,
by utilising the Reflector and Lens of the Indicators.

(https://cdn.img.triumph-trophy.com/Trophy-Switchback-LED-DRL.jpg)

In normal use, both Indicators are a nice crisp, blue / white,and as soon as the Indicators are operated,
this changes to Amber - flashing as usual thanks to the In-Line Resistor supplied as part of the kit.
( A 12V power feed is needed for the DRL's otherwise the installation is pretty simple ).

When the Indicators are changed, there is a short delay, and then the White DRL comes back on.


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Title: Re: Front Daytime Running Lights
Post by: Saddle Tramp on August 12, 2019, 01:46:19 PM
Thanks for taking the time to document the improvement provided by this accessory!
Anything that makes a motorcycle appear wider is a good thing in my book.  :152:

It looks like I might not be finished farkling my Trophy after all!
Title: Re: Front Daytime Running Lights
Post by: Canes1 on August 12, 2019, 02:03:16 PM
Like it and agree, whatever makes you more visible! What type of  Bullet LED DRL's are those. Have been looking at the Denalis$$$
Title: Re: Front Daytime Running Lights
Post by: Coconut on August 12, 2019, 02:15:33 PM
Hi Canes,

 :431: ...   I had replied to your PM asking the same, but sent it to the wrong person !  :138:

The original DRL's I had ( and still have ) were small (25mm diameter ) Bullet type,
fitted inside the Wheel arch, and details of these are in this old Topic :
LED Lights for UK Trophy (https://www.triumph-trophy.com/index.php/topic,7542.8.html),
where there are some Photo's and details of that installation,

At Reply #3 of that Topic there is a Link to the UK Supplier ( M & P Direct ), who also sell on eBay.
Those bullet LED's were a reasonable £24.99 including postage and are "E" Marked !  :028:

Cheers  :821:

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Title: Re: Front Daytime Running Lights
Post by: tdragger on August 12, 2019, 02:29:42 PM
Nicely done.

Title: Re: Front Daytime Running Lights
Post by: Canes1 on August 12, 2019, 03:12:54 PM
Thanks once again. Had seen the pics in the Photo section and, at the time, could not figure out how to trace them back to the thread....which I managed right after I PMed you! :138:
Title: Re: Front Daytime Running Lights
Post by: dandrumheller on August 13, 2019, 12:58:41 AM
I'm pretty seriously considering doing this modification.  I really like the added visibility during daytime operation.  I do have some concerns about these lights blinding/dazzling other drivers at night though - the reflector housings were designed with incandescents in mind and LEDs in incandescent housings seem to frequently cause this issue. 

As Coconut's threads seem to get justifiably high traffic here  :001: would you, Coconut, or anyone else who has done a similar mod, be able to comment on any perceived or mentioned concerns by other drivers when you're running this setup at night? 

Thanks!

Dan

Title: Re: Front Daytime Running Lights
Post by: Xsv on August 13, 2019, 05:56:41 AM
I have been running the switchbacks for over 2 years now.  https://www.triumph-trophy.com/index.php/topic,6781.0.html

I had no complaints and nobody hitting their high beams in response to the white lights.
Title: Re: Front Daytime Running Lights
Post by: earthman on August 13, 2019, 07:58:19 AM
Very good modification, my only concern would be when it comes to MOT time here in the UK, will all testers be happy to pass the bike with such lights fitted?
Some can be funny old sticks, I'm not up on the rules myself but I know that height and distance apart figures are stated in the book.
Title: Re: Front Daytime Running Lights
Post by: Coconut on August 13, 2019, 08:27:04 AM
I considered that too - for the average "Home User" the Rules and Regulations
( Con & Use, Road Vehicles Lighting Reg's, Road Traffic Act{s}, etc ) are just
too complicated to wade through, and I would be amazed if my installation
didn't contravene something, somewhere !

However, with 30 years previous experience in the LA environment, I know they are not
"dangerous", which is what a Traffic Patrol Officer might be interested in the most.

They definitely DO make the Bike more visible, without dazzling anyone, or being "over the top",
and to me, this outweighs the possibility of a minor infringement that could attract
a small ( non endorsable ) Penalty. ( Not that there are enough Traffic Police around these days
with the time or inclination to do anything about something so relatively trivial ).

The installation is also "plug and play" and could be reverted to Stock condition in about a minute,
together with a Switch to turn off the DRL's while leaving the Indicators functional.

When my Trophy is old enough to need an MOT, ( 3 years ), I will ask the examiner about them,
and revert to Stock for the Test - if needed.

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Title: Re: Front Daytime Running Lights
Post by: earthman on August 13, 2019, 10:02:42 PM
The only other 'possible' that I can think of is insurance companies, would/could they use this sort of mod against you if the worst happened?

I'm guessing that they could say that the bike technically doesn't have an MOT then so wasn't actually road legal when the crash occurred etc etc. I know that some of them will use any excuse/way of not paying out. :233:
 
Title: Re: Front Daytime Running Lights
Post by: Coconut on August 14, 2019, 08:27:53 AM
Earthman :

Glass half full or half empty ?  :821:

I don't want to get into a protracted discussion about the pros and cons
of carrying out a specific modification - that is probably best served in a separate Topic -
perhaps you'd like to start one, but to answer your latest query, the answer is "Who knows" ?

I have posted this Topic on the Modification I, and others have done
for others to consider - but as ever, it would be "at your own risk" !

My thought process on your latest "possible" is that it would need to be shown
that whatever the Modification was, contributed to such an accident.

For example if you modified the Headlight wiring with a switch that allowed you to ride
without the headlamps on, and someone pulled out on you because they didn't see you,
the Insurance Company would have a good reason not to pay out.

In this case -- of making the bike more visible, and therefore potentially safer,
they couldn't really use that argument. 

They would probably be able to deny a claim for the bike being destroyed in a fire caused
by poor electrical installation of the modification, and it might be down to the installer ( in this case me )
to demonstrate that the installation was conducted to a satisfactory standard etc.

Then again, most Insurance companies these days require notification of all Modifications,
that are not manufacturer approved -- do we all do that  ?

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Title: Re: Front Daytime Running Lights
Post by: earthman on August 14, 2019, 11:16:25 AM
I agree with what you say and aren't knocking the mod, it's a great idea, just thinking out loud really.

It's a shame that one has to at least be aware of the possibility of such complications, fingers crossed that none of us have first hand experience hey. :002:
Title: Re: Front Daytime Running Lights
Post by: dandrumheller on August 15, 2019, 01:43:25 AM
*Originally Posted by Xsv [+]
I have been running the switchbacks for over 2 years now.  https://www.triumph-trophy.com/index.php/topic,6781.0.html

I had no complaints and nobody hitting their high beams in response to the white lights.

Thanks for the feedback Xsv!  Guess it's time to order. 
Title: Re: Front Daytime Running Lights
Post by: HAT on August 22, 2019, 09:15:34 PM
Considering potential heat generated by the resistors needed for led turn signals or switchbacks, can the resistors just be tucked into the mirror assembly or do they need to go someplace else less confined? 
Title: Re: Front Daytime Running Lights
Post by: Xsv on August 22, 2019, 11:23:18 PM
Mine have lived in the mirrors with no issues.
Title: Re: Front Daytime Running Lights
Post by: Wilko on September 02, 2019, 10:00:27 PM
*Originally Posted by earthman [+]
Very good modification, my only concern would be when it comes to MOT time here in the UK, will all testers be happy to pass the bike with such lights fitted?
Some can be funny old sticks, I'm not up on the rules myself but I know that height and distance apart figures are stated in the book.

Earthman,
I took my bike in for MOT on Saturday just gone 31/08..it went through no problem, no advisories, I took the bike to my local Triumph Dealer, West Birmingham Triumph.

Just as a footnote, I love my lights, best thing on the bike, best mod yet lol..lots of comments on them too, and all good. ones. 
Title: Re: Front Daytime Running Lights
Post by: Ray_B on September 03, 2019, 04:24:06 PM
Coconut, Did the Switchbacks 'kit' you bought come with replacement sockets or did you use 1157 sockets?
Title: Re: Front Daytime Running Lights
Post by: earthman on September 03, 2019, 05:34:48 PM
*Originally Posted by Wilko [+]
Earthman,
I took my bike in for MOT on Saturday just gone 31/08..it went through no problem, no advisories, I took the bike to my local Triumph Dealer, West Birmingham Triumph.

Just as a footnote, I love my lights, best thing on the bike, best mod yet lol..lots of comments on them too, and all good. ones.

 :062:
Title: Re: Front Daytime Running Lights
Post by: Coconut on September 03, 2019, 06:33:22 PM
Ray_B :

They came with a wiring loom having a Plug ( like a bulb without the glass )
that connects into the original Trophy Indicator bulbholder, the same way as a bulb does,
after removing it from the Indicator housing.

It is then left "floating inside the Mirror Pod ( I wrapped it in a plastic bag
for protection from any water ingress ).

The new LED bulb is then a push fit into the Indicator Housing,
and has a rubber groove / lip to hold it in place.

I found that it held more securely if I removed the rubbber washer from
the original Trophy bulbholder, and placed it onto the new LED bulb.

Cheers  :821:

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Title: Re: Front Daytime Running Lights
Post by: trophy4me on September 13, 2019, 09:21:44 PM
Hello Coconut

I like these I have looked on eBay but can not find 😞
Title: Re: Front Daytime Running Lights
Post by: Coconut on September 13, 2019, 09:28:09 PM
Try this : 1156 BAU15S P21W LED Switch back Daytime Running DRL Turn Signal Light Bulb Kit (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1156-BAU15S-P21W-LED-Switch-back-Daytime-Running-DRL-Turn-Signal-Light-Bulb-Kit/401836177536?hash=item5d8f4d7880:g:sV0AAOSwQjxdRWG0)

If Sold Out, search for 1156 LED Switchback.

Cheers  :821:

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Title: Re: Front Daytime Running Lights
Post by: Canes1 on September 14, 2019, 09:01:53 PM
Take it these would work? UK Ebay won't ship them to the US.

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F233305803373
Title: Re: Front Daytime Running Lights
Post by: trophy4me on September 15, 2019, 07:54:59 PM
Hi Coconut

Will this one work the difference is in the description it states 50w
Title: Re: Front Daytime Running Lights
Post by: Coconut on September 15, 2019, 09:06:17 PM
Will this one work .....

I don't know but I would be wary !

The Seller is in China - drop shipping to a UK address to make it look like they are UK Seller,
and if something goes wrong, even if the Listing says they are suitable as direct rreplacements,
then Good Luck with getting any sort of recompense !

The problem with replacing standard Tungsten filament bulbs with LED's
is that "Flasher Units" are designed to flash standard bulbs at a certain rate
according to their Wattage and the Current they draw.

When a bulb fails, the "Flasher Unit" senses the change in current draw,
and flashes the bulb faster to alert the driver / rider.

LED bulbs use less Power, and therefore draw less current.

If a standard bulb is replaced with an LED, the lower current drawn will usually result in
the Indicators flashing faster, so manufacturers of such LED bulbs add a Resistor
which increases the amount of current drawn, to eliminate this.

On the Trophy there is no separate "Flasher Unit" - it is incorporated  into the Instrument Pack circuitry.

This is why I advise caution - A standard Tungsten Filament Indicator bulb is rated at 21 Watts,
so at 12 Volts it will draw 1.75 Amps.

If the LED Bulbs are rated at 50 Watts ( presumably because of the Resistor ),
then the current drawn at 12 Volts would be 4.16 Amps.

I have no idea how this additional current would affect the Instrument Pack Flasher circuit !

Having said all of the above, the LED Switchback DRL's I used may well be exactly the same
as those you are looking at, but the description of mine didn't mention "50W".

The Resistors used however ARE marked with "50 W" and " 6 Ω J"  :087:

Hope that helps !

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Title: Re: Front Daytime Running Lights
Post by: trophy4me on September 15, 2019, 09:23:54 PM
Hello

Ok I will leave it

The seller on the one you sent me is having problems with his PayPal account excepting payment, I will see if he can sort it out.
Title: Re: Front Daytime Running Lights
Post by: Coconut on October 05, 2019, 09:49:24 AM
All sorted now and fitted - another Happy Forum Member !   :152:

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Title: Re: Front Daytime Running Lights
Post by: trophy4me on October 05, 2019, 11:12:09 AM
A BIG thank you to Coconut for the time and
Huge effort in suppling and fitting the headlights
And the indicator lights that are also DRLís
Nice guy very helpful thank you
If next time if you could just sort out the traffic on the M42 that would be great 😀😉
Title: Re: Front Daytime Running Lights
Post by: Coconut on October 05, 2019, 12:18:55 PM
Sorry Andy, but until I buy my own Motorway to work on I can't help there !  :745:

Jessica and Georgia decided on a donation to their Charity .....

Matt's Mission ( Jessica's Fundraising Page ) (https://www.goldengiving.com/fundraising/JessicaEarpSponsoredHairDonation?fbclid=IwAR37lSxgM8SYIUPu4ph5g6p8wR3va7N4TMSK_j50h2NdHqAV8fjC7q_0X90)

Cheers  :821:


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Title: Re: Front Daytime Running Lights
Post by: trophy4me on October 05, 2019, 08:17:33 PM
Hey Coconut

Thatís really good

Just to let you know those new white DRL / indicator lights at night are really bright but look really   :062:
Title: Re: Front Daytime Running Lights
Post by: fingers on October 13, 2019, 04:06:30 PM
I have just fitted indicator+DRL LED lights that look the same as those Coconut fitted and they look great. Only they make my standard incandescent headlights look very yellow now  :006: I found mine on Amazon UK. I connected the DRL power lead to the +ve power lead for the 12v socket of the glovebox so they are on when the engine is running. I will wire in a small toggle switch when I get one.
Coconut thanks for the info, I mostly followed your instructions. :028:

On a related note, I just discovered that mice have got at the wiring of my Honda NC750. Chewed away all the insulation and caused a short :003:. Luckily 'only' the sub-loom for the heated grips. Strange that they ignored all the other wiring :006:. Maybe Honda after-market products are chocolate flavour?
I have today put a ultrasonic mouse repeller in the garage. Consider doing the same if you have any risk of mouse problems. Damage could be in a much more critical part.
Title: Re: Front Daytime Running Lights
Post by: 1215 on November 06, 2019, 10:59:48 AM
Just got the switchback LED's, (great find by the way Alan)
Like the plug and play idea only question is the current draw of the DRL low enough to tap the red lead straight from the Ignition powered plug in the glove box or is relay operation required.

(PS that DAB radio upgrade is absolutely WONDERFUL!!! and still only using the cheap mag mount on the LH bar)

Cheers,   Mike.

Title: Re: Front Daytime Running Lights
Post by: fingers on November 06, 2019, 01:00:02 PM
I have done no measurements, and I am no expert, but given the gauge of the white wire that feeds the power to the DRLs in my kit (it is a very thin wire) I doubt very much that there is any real current carried by it.
Title: Re: Front Daytime Running Lights
Post by: Coconut on November 06, 2019, 01:13:53 PM
1215 ( Mike ) :

The White DRLís are LEDís and draw very little Power.

I donít know the exact Wattage figure but thereís no problem
wiring them to the Glove Box Power Socket.

IIRC thereís an In-Line fuse in the wiring loom for the DRLís
so use that, otherwise if a fault occurs in the LED circuit
it might not trip the 10A fuse for the Glove Box power socket.

I have mine wired through a separate switch too, so I can choose
not the have them switched on.

( .... and Long Live ďPlanet RockĒ !  :152: )

Cheers  :821:

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Title: Re: Front Daytime Running Lights
Post by: 1215 on November 06, 2019, 01:25:30 PM
Hope you have entered the 20th birthday giveaway on PR....   some one has to win!!

( Long Live PR)  :152:

Looking to find some small form waterproof switches, 
sad but Maplins was the place to go especially for one off small numbers and being able to see/feel the goods.
Ah well ebay is our friend!!
Title: Re: Front Daytime Running Lights
Post by: Coconut on November 06, 2019, 04:59:21 PM
Hold fire on the Switch - if you only need one,
Iíll be in touch again later this evening after work,
or tomorrow- I may have one I can send  :028:

Cheers  :821:

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Title: Re: Front Daytime Running Lights
Post by: Wilko on November 06, 2019, 06:10:27 PM
I wired mine "DRL's" via the glove box power socket, with the inline fuse that was supplied with do adverse effect, all works well, really happy with mine.

Wilko.
Title: Re: Front Daytime Running Lights
Post by: trophied on November 10, 2019, 01:18:17 PM
Just installled them and really impressed with how easily it can be done, and what a difference!!!  Thanks for putting us onto this modification. :821: